Confused

[Parnate]

Well I was beginning to believe my depression was lifting but and it had lifted for a few months. But it seems to going back to the original state. Don't know if it is my extreme thoughts or what. I have few obsessions and radical beliefs. The biggest is that life is meaningless without generational wealth. And by wealth I mean extreme. Like owning a Range Rover or luxury cars. Not having to check bank balance before buying . Travelling first class everywhere. Staying at the best hotel while travelling. Having a fully air conditioned house. Life feels bleak without all this.

 

[Chocomel]

I'm gonna say that is true actually. You literally will miss out on a lot of things without money. Just living from jobs to jobs, day to day. I never thought of this before, but now that I read your thread, yeah it makes me realize

 

[orvreader]

I believe money can solve everything, but I personally don't agree with the notion that life is meaningless without extreme wealth. The most meaningful things I can think of are easily accessible (especially due to the internet and sometimes piracy): movies, music, and especially webnovels.

 

[DeathSweetDeath]

While all of those things sound incredibly enjoyable, none of them are meaningful.

 

[Forveleth]

The wealth you are referring to is top 1% meaning you think life is meaningless for 99% of people.

 

[orvreader]

While all of those things sound incredibly enjoyable, none of them are meaningful.

That's subjective, I personally don't find owning luxury cars and staying in the best hotels meaningful, but everyone finds meaning in different places.

 

[DeathSweetDeath]

I believe money can solve everything.

Money cannot solve everything.

 

[orvreader]

Money cannot solve everything.

Any example cases? I mean... most things can be bought, even things like therapy, so I personally think money can solve everything.

 

[DeathSweetDeath]

Any example cases? I mean... most things can be bought, even things like therapy, so I personally think money can solve everything.

Wow.

 

[orvreader]

Wow.

Mayhaps it's just a matter of personal experience; personally, all of the problems in my life can be solved with a large enough sum of money.

 

[DeathSweetDeath]

Mayhaps it's just a matter of personal experience; personally, all of the problems in my life can be solved with a large enough sum of money.

This is about far more than personal experience. You don't know of & haven't heard of a single person in the world aside from yourself who has a terrible problem that can't be solved with money? And you can't think of any problem you might have at any point in your future that couldn't be fixed with money?

 

[itsgone2]

This is about far more than personal experience. You don't know of & haven't heard of a single person in the world aside from yourself who has a terrible problem that can't be solved with money? And you can't think of any problem you might have at any point in your future that couldn't be fixed with money?

I have to agree with @orvreader
You need money. Lack of money causes even more issues and then hard to get back to whatever was originally the case. You can't buy certain things, like friends or love, but without money it's hard to do anything, let alone fine the confidence to build a relationship

 

[DeathSweetDeath]

I have to agree with @orvreader
You need money. Lack of money causes even more issues and then hard to get back to whatever was originally the case. You can't buy certain things, like friends or love, but without money it's hard to do anything, let alone fine the confidence to build a relationship

I never said we don't need money.
I never said life wasn't better with money.
Of course life is better with money.
Of course many, if not most of life's problems can be prevented or solved with money.
Everyone knows that.
I never said otherwise.
I said not every problem can be solved with money (because it's a simple fact of life).

 

[orvreader]

This is about far more than personal experience. You don't know of & haven't heard of a single person in the world aside from yourself who has a terrible problem that can't be solved with money? And you can't think of any problem you might have at any point in your future that couldn't be fixed with money?

Then give me examples if it's so easy for you to come up with???? Why do you want me to be a bad guy so bad??? Why are you personally attacking me when you can just disprove my argument if it really is that easy to come up with problems that can't be solved with money.

 

[Terrible_Life]

Unfortunately lots of money won't come to everyone its not easy to have lots of money.
Haha in the end its so funny so many people work so hard and want a job promotion, a higher position etc wel why do they want that and why are they ready to work so much for that? Because of the money.
Our society is money driven it is what it is but in my case instead of money I'd wish I could have a time machine which I'd use to prevent so many sad traumatic moments I'd use it to travel back in time and teach my 6 year old me all the things I learned until now I'd warn myself , prepare myself and then I could have had a life now. Happy fulfilled life…

 

[Rust]

Money definitely facilitates a degree of freedom, which I think is what you're really after. Problem is that it's easy to exemplify money as the solution without really thinking about what would truly make you feel fulfilled and free. As the prior poster said, our society is money driven, which obscures our thoughts sometimes. Sure, we might be able to afford therapy, but it might not work.

Don't get me wrong though, money does help. But there is a threshold beyond which additional money doesn't matter. I wouldn't say extreme wealth is necessary to bring about the opportunities that make life fulfilling. But some wealth (and spare time) is definitely needed.

I mostly speak from what I've seen in other people. I've known people who have never worked a day in their lives due to generational wealth. Although they have the ability to just go on holiday whenever, they're extremely depressed, because they have no accomplishments that they can call their own. Physical ailments which can't be easily cured also plague them.

Another example is of someone who horded wealth their entire life since they liked to see their money pile grow. But they died miserable, since they chased everyone away out of fear of those around them stealing their money. In the end, they died never spending anything.

Just figured I'd give some examples, since life is anything but straightforward. But hey, if you have a clear plan of what you'd do with the money and are certain it'd be fulfilling, then it could go a long way.

 

[DeathSweetDeath]

Then give me examples if it's so easy for you to come up with???? Why do you want me to be a bad guy so bad??? Why are you personally attacking me when you can just disprove my argument if it really is that easy to come up with problems that can't be solved with money.

You confuse gentle questions with a personal attack.
I don't need to disprove your argument.
Life will disprove it to you, sooner or later.

 

[MissWannaLive]

While I can agree with you on the point of wealth being a big factor in the world humans made for themselves (it's easier to get what you truly want if you have money and it's easier to get it and maintain it when it's generational) I have to disagree on the part that without it it's meaningless. While I have doubts about my own existence having any true meaning, looking at other I can say that even without wealth some people may find something to enjoy and hold onto. Maybe it's not luxury but then you have to think. It's that luxury actually worth it all or did the society pressure you to think like that at the end of the day.

Depression has many faces and many reasons and humans have many beliefs. I'm not saying yours are fully wrong however it might be a use for you to try and see past wealth. Maybe try to focus on finding something with meaning in the life that is not connected strictly to money. Thinking too much about it all may cause you a decline in mental state so if you still have some glimmer of hope, especially after you said that you thought your depression was lifting a bit, it might turn out to help you if even a little or turn less confused in the future.

 

[orvreader]

You confuse gentle questions with a personal attack.
I don't need to disprove your argument.
Life will disprove it to you, sooner or later.

It's nice to be so privileged while still sitting on a high horse, huh? I hope you know you're obnoxious. Life can't disprove it to me because I don't have any money to solve any of my problem in the first place, and my life would be too short for it to disprove anything to me anyway. Why do you imply that the reason I think money can solve everything is because I haven't had any "real" problems in my life? I've been miserable for years, but a large enough amount of money could solve it all, it really could, it really really could. Why don't you give me all of your money so that life can disprove my cope, huh?

 

[Dot]

Then give me examples if it's so easy for you to come up with???? Why do you want me to be a bad guy so bad??? Why are you personally attacking me when you can just disprove my argument if it really is that easy to come up with problems that can't be solved with money.

Slf injry cnnt b fixd wth ££

Slf cld b winnr of £10mllion in lottry 2mro & = wld mn abslutly nothng bcse slf issu cnnt b fixd wth ££

Rb Renier & hs wfe wre mllionairs bt thy wre stll murdrd b/ thr son wh/ thy hd bn tryn2 hlp fr yrs - puttng thr sn in2 $70,000 pr mnth clincs & h/ stll ws nt curd

Robn Wlliams ctb bcse ££ wld nt hve fixd hs lewy bdy demntia

Chestr Benngtn stll ctb evn tho h/ ws opnly in therpy allegdly bcse of sexul abse frm chld-hd

Therpy ds nt fx all emotnl problms

Thre r mny xtrmely welthy ppl out thre wh/ wll cnfirm tht ££ cn b maskng mny problms tht ppl hve bcse ppl cn hde b-hnd hedonsm t/ fl bettr bt thy cn stll b feelng Mpty insde

££ = gr8 fr ppl whse issus r linkd t/ povrty or jst nt havng enuf & = snds as tho u fl tht ££ wld hlp u in signfcnt wy bt thre r stll mny mny welthy ppl wh/ kll thmslves

 

[Dante_]

Slf injry cnnt b fixd wth ££

Slf cld b winnr of £10mllion in lottry 2mro & = wld mn abslutly nothng bcse slf issu cnnt b fixd wth ££

Rb Renier & hs wfe wre mllionairs bt thy wre stll murdrd b/ thr son wh/ thy hd bn tryn2 hlp fr yrs - puttng thr sn in2 $70,000 pr mnth clincs & h/ stll ws nt curd

Robn Wlliams ctb bcse ££ wld nt hve fixd hs lewy bdy demntia

Chestr Benngtn stll ctb evn tho h/ ws opnly in therpy allegdly bcse of sexul abse frm chld-hd

Therpy ds nt fx all emotnl problms

Thre r mny xtrmely welthy ppl out thre wh/ wll cnfirm tht ££ cn b maskng mny problms tht ppl hve bcse ppl cn hde b-hnd hedonsm t/ fl bettr bt thy cn stll b feelng Mpty insde

££ = gr8 fr ppl whse issus r linkd t/ povrty or jst nt havng enuf & = snds as tho u fl tht ££ wld hlp u in signfcnt wy bt thre r stll mny mny welthy ppl wh/ kll thmslves

Translation for Dot:

My injury cannot be fixed with money.

I could be the winner of £10 million in the lottery tomorrow and it would mean absolutely nothing because my issues cannot be fixed with money.

Rob Renier and his wife were millionaires, but they were still murdered by their son, whom they had been trying to help for years—putting their son into $70,000 per month clinics—and he still was not cured.

Robin Williams committed suicide because money would not have fixed his Lewy body dementia.

Chester Bennington still committed suicide even though he was openly in therapy, allegedly because of sexual abuse from childhood.

Therapy does not fix all emotional problems.


There are many extremely wealthy people out there who will confirm that money can be masking many problems that people have because people can hide behind hedonism to feel better, but they can still be feeling empty inside.

Money is great for people whose issues are linked to poverty or just not having enough and it sounds as though you feel that money would help you in a significant way but there are still many, many wealthy people who kill themselves.

 

[DeathSweetDeath]

It's nice to be so privileged while still sitting on a high horse, huh? I hope you know you're obnoxious. Life can't disprove it to me because I don't have any money to solve any of my problem in the first place, and my life would be too short for it to disprove anything to me anyway. Why do you imply that the reason I think money can solve everything is because I haven't had any "real" problems in my life? I've been miserable for years, but a large enough amount of money could solve it all, it really could, it really really could. Why don't you give me all of your money so that life can disprove my cope, huh?

I never claimed to be privileged, and I never said your problems weren't real. Misery is a terrible thing regardless of the cause. But it's a little disturbing that you don't seem cognizant of just how much worse things could get for yourself or any one of us, and no amount of money would be able to solve it. As the saying goes, we're all just one horrific accident, one grim diagnosis, or one phone call with devastating news away from a completely different life. Money doesn't make anyone immune to any of that. Longitudinal studies of lottery winners show that money only solves so many problems, (books have been written & movies have been made about this) their misery often persists, and in some cases, their lives end up even worse.