Concerns About Benzodiazepine Dosage: Risks of Overconsumption and Vomiting During Sleep for SN Euthanasia

[PeacefulJourney]

According to the STAT protocol in the Ppeh book 2023, you need to crush 20 x 30 mg tablets of Oxazepam (Benzodiazepines) with a mortar and pestle and consume it while simultaneously drinking SN. However, is taking 20 x 30 mg tablets of Oxazepam too much, considering that your body might want to vomit, and you could remain asleep during the vomiting due to the high dosage of Oxazepam, potentially losing the opportunity to take a second dosage of SN?

This stat protocol is as per the Ppeh book 2023

	Fast for 8 hours and take minimal water as possible, 2 hours before SN (stop water)
1 hour before drinking SN	600mg of Ibuprofen or 1000mg of paracetamol. You can use any pain killer as long as you stay within the recommended dose
40 minutes before drinking SN	3 X 10mg Metoclopramide (30mg in total)
	Wait 40 minutes During the wait time, dissolve 25gm of Sodium Nitrite in 50-100ml of plain water (35gm if body weight over 100kg) Crush 20x30mg tablets (Oxazepam) (Benzos) with Mortar & Pestle Mix crushed tablets with enough water until a drinkable solution is created
	SN drink Drink Oxazepam (Benzos) in water Lay back

 

[mishima12]

Personally, I have already taken more than 800 mg of oxazepam. I did not vomit, but it puts me to sleep quickly and deeply.

 

[Zhoutongwei]

According to the STAT protocol in the Ppeh book 2023, you need to crush 20 x 30 mg tablets of Oxazepam (Benzodiazepines) with a mortar and pestle and consume it while simultaneously drinking SN. However, is taking 20 x 30 mg tablets of Oxazepam too much, considering that your body might want to vomit, and you could remain asleep during the vomiting due to the high dosage of Oxazepam, potentially losing the opportunity to take a second dosage of SN?

This stat protocol is as per the Ppeh book 2023

	Fast for 8 hours and take minimal water as possible, 2 hours before SN (stop water)
1 hour before drinking SN	600mg of Ibuprofen or 1000mg of paracetamol. You can use any pain killer as long as you stay within the recommended dose
40 minutes before drinking SN	3 X 10mg Metoclopramide (30mg in total)
	Wait 40 minutes During the wait time, dissolve 25gm of Sodium Nitrite in 50-100ml of plain water (35gm if body weight over 100kg) Crush 20x30mg tablets (Oxazepam) (Benzos) with Mortar & Pestle Mix crushed tablets with enough water until a drinkable solution is created
	SN drink Drink Oxazepam (Benzos) in water Lay back

I have the same worry. The high dosage of Oxazepam, potentially losing the opportunity to take a second dosage of SN. So I think we better use a small amount Benzou.

 

[PeacefulJourney]

Can some experts provide insight on this situation?

 

[tulero]

its too much ?? probably yes, I mean 50x10g equivalent diazepam its an entire box here where I live

but at the end the doctor is the guy who wrote the book, so we have to trust on him to a certain point

 

[sweetreliefpls]

According to the STAT protocol in the Ppeh book 2023, you need to crush 20 x 30 mg tablets of Oxazepam (Benzodiazepines) with a mortar and pestle and consume it while simultaneously drinking SN. However, is taking 20 x 30 mg tablets of Oxazepam too much, considering that your body might want to vomit, and you could remain asleep during the vomiting due to the high dosage of Oxazepam, potentially losing the opportunity to take a second dosage of SN?

This stat protocol is as per the Ppeh book 2023

	Fast for 8 hours and take minimal water as possible, 2 hours before SN (stop water)
1 hour before drinking SN	600mg of Ibuprofen or 1000mg of paracetamol. You can use any pain killer as long as you stay within the recommended dose
40 minutes before drinking SN	3 X 10mg Metoclopramide (30mg in total)
	Wait 40 minutes During the wait time, dissolve 25gm of Sodium Nitrite in 50-100ml of plain water (35gm if body weight over 100kg) Crush 20x30mg tablets (Oxazepam) (Benzos) with Mortar & Pestle Mix crushed tablets with enough water until a drinkable solution is created
	SN drink Drink Oxazepam (Benzos) in water Lay back

I am also wondering this Q, the PPH gives insanely high Benzo dose which would mean no chance to drink a second dose if you vomited…. Anyone any thoughts?

 

[quietwoods]

I am also wondering this Q, the PPH gives insanely high Benzo dose which would mean no chance to drink a second dose if you vomited…. Anyone any thoughts?

In my subjective opinion, a second glass is kinda pointless. SN already tastes nasty going down. If you vomit, you're likely going to be feeling pretty terrible. I doubt you're going to be able to get a second glass down or keep it down at that point.

The PPH is a good resource but is also filled with inconsistencies and suggestions that make sense in theory but likely haven't been tested thoroughly.

I imagine there has been someone who's gotten a second glass down but they are likely few and far between.

The dose of diazepam is also massive. Depending on whether you want to be completely knocked out, or just sedated, you could lower the dose.

 

[sweetreliefpls]

In my subjective opinion, a second glass is kinda pointless. SN already tastes nasty going down. If you vomit, you're likely going to be feeling pretty terrible. I doubt you're going to be able to get a second glass down or keep it down at that point.

The PPH is a good resource but is also filled with inconsistencies and suggestions that make sense in theory but likely haven't been tested thoroughly.

I imagine there has been someone who's gotten a second glass down but I'd imagine they are few and far between.

The dose of diazepam is also massive. Depending on whether you want to be completely knocked out, or just sedated, you could lower the dose.

In which case you're saying the SN is likely fatal despite the vomiting? So higher benzo dose is ok…?

I'm just trying to work out the most effective method for efficacy vs peacefulness. And want to avoid vomiting to where it is no longer effective.

 

[quietwoods]

In which case you're saying the SN is likely fatal despite the vomiting? So higher benzo dose is ok…?

I'm just trying to work out the most effective method for efficacy vs peacefulness. And want to avoid vomiting to where it is no longer effective.

At the suggested dosage (25g), SN is pretty much guaranteed fatal if you keep it in your stomach long enough without vomiting. I can't quote you any research or medical statistics, but the anecdotal evidence of people who have survived are usually those who have vomited too quickly (seems to be in the first couple minutes). 25g is a saturation dose, meaning that it's vastly more than needed to CTB, so if you make it past a certain point where enough of it gets absorbed, it's pretty much guaranteed lethal.

Again, anecdotal evidence supports that most people vomit at some point, whether conscious or unconscious.

I think the 2nd cup suggestion is for people who vomit very quickly.

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[Valhala]

There is no theoretical possibility of surviving 25 g of SN whenever you vomit unless you are found in the next few hours or you panic and call for help yourself. SN is an extremely powerful and strong poison and the lethal dose starts from 1 gram, so there is no chance of surviving 25 g of SN.

 

[cryptoinvestor]

I've read accounts of lots of people who died even after vomitting. Like valhalla said, if you're taking the saturation dose, even after vomit, a few grams will already be absorbing in your system. Just keep the dose high and death is pretty much guaranteed even if you vomit

 

[Romanticize]

I can confirm that vomiting doesn't mean your SN attempt is failed. 2nd cup of SN is really, very rarely needed.

On the other hand, benzodiazepines are VERY HELPFUL in SN protocol.

Benzos don't make you vomit, they can cause vomit aspiration if mixed with alcohol or opioids, but benzos alone dont make you vomit. They can cause deep sleep, and you can be incapacitated before you drink 2nd cup.

That said, I think 30x 20mg Oxazepam is way too high. 600mg oxazepam is equivalent to 300mg diazepam or 30mg alprazolam or 30mg clonazepam or 60mg lorazepam.
That's too much - it will cause deep and very long sleep for most people. But smaller dose like 2-6mg clonazepam [20-60mg diazepam or 40-120mg oxazepam] will be definitely helpful

 

[quietwoods]

There is no theoretical possibility of surviving 25 g of SN whenever you vomit unless you are found in the next few hours or you panic and call for help yourself. SN is an extremely powerful and strong poison and the lethal dose starts from 1 gram, so there is no chance of surviving 25 g of SN.

I've read accounts of lots of people who died even after vomitting. Like valhalla said, if you're taking the saturation dose, even after vomit, a few grams will already be absorbing in your system. Just keep the dose high and death is pretty much guaranteed even if you vomit

There are multiple reports in the SN bible of unsuccessful attempts where people took that dose or similar and survived via vomiting. No medical intervention. You can also find more of these reports by searching the forum. If I can find the relatively recent one I saw a week or two ago I'll link it.

Vomiting doesn't mean your attempt is a failure, but there's a reason why the PPH only lists the reliability as a 7 and even then marks that as uncertain.

 

[tyrcap]

I don't even know how you can get benzos prescribed anymore in the USA. And I don't want to risk a felony trying to get some from the outside past customs.

 

[cowboypants]

By the time the benzos kickin your body will have absorbed enough SN or you will have a chance to take the second glass. The first 5-10 minutes.

Why benzos are recommended in such high doses is because SN is known to cause convulsions, seizures etc in some during the later part. And just the process would be way more peaceful. If you can get hold of it. By no means benzos are necessary though.

SN can be lethal even less than a gram to a few grams(1-6 gm). We are taking multiples of it to ensure it is really lethal.