Method Carbon Monoxide + tents/cars/etc...Why? Help Me Understand

[Jello Biafra]

I don't get it. Why do so many people attempt carbon monoxide is a tent, or a car, or a bathroom or something?

It makes no sense. Why use a space with such a high volume of residual air? And who in gods name came up with a "megathread" that thought this would be a good idea? Having to use tons of charcoal and/or several BBQ grills - it makes no sense.

At lower concentrations, co is going to cause issues breathing, coughing, etc. But at high concentrations it's obviously as peaceful as it gets.

There's a reason Jack Kevorkian, aka Dr. Death, who championed the rights of death with dignity using carbon monoxide. His assistant even petitioned state governments in the US using things like Nitrogen for capital punishment, arguing that CO was much easier and more peaceful.

Granted, Kevorkian used a compressed cylinder of CO with a mask - however in every report, when the PPMs are high enough, the person loses consciousness immediately.

Every single small BBQ grill I've seen has a lid with a little vent on top that can be opened and closed or adjusted. Why not put the lid on and put a tube connected to a simple oxygen mask? The PPMs of CO would be incredibly high as the fumes have nowhere to go but out through the tub/vent.

I understand people did this with the COgen generator that mixes 2 acids to create CO. The problem with that is you now are inhaling CO along with a very caustic and noxious acid, causing severe discomfort. This could be alleviates with a water wash, meaning the tube exhausting the CO from the acidic reaction only needs to be stuck in to a jar/glass of water - as it bubbles up the water washes the acid and leaves a bubble of pure carbon monoxide.

This could be easily done with a grill. Tube from vent goes to covered glass of water, tube from lid of water goes to mask.

Honestly, I don't understand why we have a megathread here talking about tents and sealing cars or closets.

Furthermore, there are "co testing kits" - like aerosol spray meant to test co alarms. Amazon has the at 2000ppm of co. That means 1 burst spray is 2000ppm. Seems to me if you emptied the can into a bag you'd have well over 12000 ppm, which means immediate unconsciousness and ctb in minutes.

What am I missing here?

 

[scary]

Honestly the first things that come to my mind when people say to do it in a car or tent is the likeliness of getting caught but also your SI. I know people on here who would rather sit in their car in a secluded place away from their family but also having something actively on your face or head is hard on your SI rather than just sitting there with nothing physically restricting you, even if it's for less time like you mentioned. There's also just the factor of people just not having access to that, burning charcoal in an enclosed area is just the cheapest and easiest for some people.

 

[Forveleth]

Using a car/tent has a few purposes: privacy and protection for others. Many people live in an apartment building or with family and an attempt around the home could also put them in danger. Cars and tents allow one to isolate their attempt away from others.

As for the BBQ/charcoal, these are almost everywhere and can be purchased cheaply. The idea of the megathread is to make the method as accessible and easy to execute for everyone. Is it the most refined method? No. But it has the highest likelihood of succeeding for the greatest number of people, or so that is the idea of the megathreads.

 

[kurgan]

It makes no sense

100,000 plus charcoal deaths across Asia say otherwise.

Having to use tons of charcoal

Not true, as little as 1 or 2 kg in a well sealed tent, car, or small bathroom is more than enough.

 

[Jello Biafra]

Honestly the first things that come to my mind when people say to do it in a car or tent is the likeliness of getting caught but also your SI. I know people on here who would rather sit in their car in a secluded place away from their family but also having something actively on your face or head is hard on your SI rather than just sitting there with nothing physically restricting you, even if it's for less time like you mentioned. There's also just the factor of people just not having access to that, burning charcoal in an enclosed area is just the cheapest and easiest for some people.

Ya, I have a personal issue with SI. It is not some godly force that takes over your will or ability to make decisions. It's more that if you aren't ready to die, doubt creeps in.

I'm not saying this is a bad thing. It certainly serves a subconscious purpose that if someone isn't 100% committed, maybe they should take a step back and re-evaluate exactly what an immense and final decision ctb really is.

But if you are 100% certain this is what's best for you, it's actually not terribly difficult to do it.

Using a car/tent has a few purposes: privacy and protection for others. Many people live in an apartment building or with family and an attempt around the home could also put them in danger. Cars and tents allow one to isolate their attempt away from others.

As for the BBQ/charcoal, these are almost everywhere and can be purchased cheaply. The idea of the megathread is to make the method as accessible and easy to execute for everyone. Is it the most refined method? No. But it has the highest likelihood of succeeding for the greatest number of people, or so that is the idea of the megathreads.

I understand the idea of the megathread. What I don't understand are it's suggestions that only instigate prolonged suffering.

I understand what you are saying about privacy, but surely privacy can still be achieved in using a mask. In fact, moreover. A mask, tube, and small grill is about as personal as it gets. I understand wanting to be in a car where you are alone, but I think you are missing the point. A mask, as I mentioned, along with a covered grill, could still be done in a car. My contention is that attempting to fill an environment like a car that has a high volume of residual air is dumb, and not very well thought out. If privacy is the concern, this point is not really relative to what I'm saying.

100,000 plus charcoal deaths across Asia say otherwise.

Not true, as little as 1 or 2 kg in a well sealed tent, car, or small bathroom is more than enough.

Ok. Out of 100,000 plus charcoal deaths across Asia, would you mind telling me how many actually attempted? Likewise for tents?

Because your point is meaningless without the flip side to the coin.

For all we know, 2,000,000 people made an attempt, but only 100,000 succeeded, if that stat is accurate.

You seem to be completely missing my point. A 10% success rate doesn't sound very hot when the consequences for failure can be catastrophic. I could cite statistics about people who've died by slipping in the bathtub and hitting their head. Does that mean it's a good idea or even remotely probable?

Certainly, if you've spent some time scouring the megathread, as well as the Internet, as I have, the suggestion to attempt to get CO concentrations above 12,000PPM in a high volume residual air environment makes no sense. There's a reason why an actual doctor didn't do it this way.

 

[kurgan]

Ya, I have a personal issue with SI. It is not some godly force that takes over your will or ability to make decisions. It's more that if you aren't ready to die, doubt creeps in.

I'm not saying this is a bad thing. It certainly serves a subconscious purpose that if someone isn't 100% committed, maybe they should take a step back and re-evaluate exactly what an immense and final decision ctb really is.

But if you are 100% certain this is what's best for you, it's actually not terribly difficult to do it.


I understand the idea of the megathread. What I don't understand are it's suggestions that only instigate prolonged suffering.

I understand what you are saying about privacy, but surely privacy can still be achieved in using a mask. In fact, moreover. A mask, tube, and small grill is about as personal as it gets. I understand wanting to be in a car where you are alone, but I think you are missing the point. A mask, as I mentioned, along with a covered grill, could still be done in a car. My contention is that attempting to fill an environment like a car that has a high volume of residual air is dumb, and not very well thought out. If privacy is the concern, this point is not really relative to what I'm saying.


Ok. Out of 100,000 plus charcoal deaths across Asia, would you mind telling me how many actually attempted? Likewise for tents?

Because your point is meaningless without the flip side to the coin.

For all we know, 2,000,000 people made an attempt, but only 100,000 succeeded, if that stat is accurate.

You seem to be completely missing my point. A 10% success rate doesn't sound very hot when the consequences for failure can be catastrophic. I could cite statistics about people who've died by slipping in the bathtub and hitting their head. Does that mean it's a good idea or even remotely probable?

Certainly, if you've spent some time scouring the megathread, as well as the Internet, as I have, the suggestion to attempt to get CO concentrations above 12,000PPM in a high volume residual air environment makes no sense. There's a reason why an actual doctor didn't do it this way.

Most of the deaths across Asia occurred in their bathrooms. I haven't been able to find any data on the fail rates, and I suspect that's because it's very low. Authorities would love nothing more to publish high fail rates if they existed. Well, yes, like any method you choose, it can be catastrophic if you fail lol, it's not rocket science. You don't need to go down the rabbit hole fussing over the technicalities of this tried and tested method. At the end of the day, This is a very nice, idiot-proof method (as someone once said) You can't fuck this up. As long as you have a sealed space, coal and time, you will succeed.

 

[Liebestod]

Honestly it doesn't even need to be complicated, you don't even need a grill or chimney starter, I plan to use four cast iron skillets for 16 lbs of charcoal and I'll get heat resistant mats just in case even though I won't need it because cast iron skillets can handle the heat charcoal produces. I plan on doing it in an Airbnb with a warning sign on the front door. I can use the kitchen stove to start burning the charcoal and I can move the skillets wherever I please after. Whether it's in the open space of the house or a small space like a bedroom or bathroom. It doesn't even matter because 16 lbs of charcoal will produce lethal amounts of CO (6400+ ppm) within 15 minutes.

 

[Jello Biafra]

Most of the deaths across Asia occurred in their bathrooms. I haven't been able to find any data on the fail rates, and I suspect that's because it's very low. Authorities would love nothing more to publish high fail rates if they existed. Well, yes, like any method you choose, it can be catastrophic if you fail lol, it's not rocket science. You don't need to go down the rabbit hole fussing over the technicalities of this tried and tested method. At the end of the day, This is a very nice, idiot-proof method (as someone once said) You can't fuck this up. As long as you have a sealed space, coal and time, you will succeed.

Unfortunately I wholeheartedly disagree.

Unless you want to end up in the psyche ward, constantly monitored and not able to attempt again, or at worst end up with all the same miserable problems you have now but exponentially compounded by very real organ or cerebral hypoxic damage having to have someone wipe your ass for the rest of your life, having to go in for dialysis treatments 3x a week, etc etc etc - after all carbon monoxide is a poison, I don't know why anyone would be adverse to "fussing over the technicalities".

Maybe you don't mind rolling the dice with possibly becoming a vegetable for the rest of your life, but hey, strongly agree to disagree.

I would think, considering what's at stake, and if your intent is truly to ctb, you would want to be a little more certain of making sure you don't just end up torturing yourself, or creating a life that could possibly be 1000x worse than it is now.

Of course there are no guarantees with anything - but there is such thing as probabilities.

Don't mean to be rude or anything, just wasn't really expecting a shoulder shrug. If someone is actually serious about ctb, it's only natural they would want to give themselves the best chance of that actually happening. Variables in Asia are entirely different. Right off the bat, their bathrooms are generally not even a third of the size as those in the West. Further, as I stated, why purposely make things difficult? CO is only peaceful when PPM concentrations are high enough - doing that somewhere that has a significant volume of air just makes everything harder.

 

[kurgan]

Unfortunately I wholeheartedly disagree.

Unless you want to end up in the psyche ward, constantly monitored and not able to attempt again, or at worst end up with all the same miserable problems you have now but exponentially compounded by very real organ or cerebral hypoxic damage having to have someone wipe your ass for the rest of your life, having to go in for dialysis treatments 3x a week, etc etc etc - after all carbon monoxide is a poison, I don't know why anyone would be adverse to "fussing over the technicalities".

Maybe you don't mind rolling the dice with possibly becoming a vegetable for the rest of your life, but hey, strongly agree to disagree.

I would think, considering what's at stake, and if your intent is truly to ctb, you would want to be a little more certain of making sure you don't just end up torturing yourself, or creating a life that could possibly be 1000x worse than it is now.

Of course there are no guarantees with anything - but there is such thing as probabilities.

Don't mean to be rude or anything, just wasn't really expecting a shoulder shrug. If someone is actually serious about ctb, it's only natural they would want to give themselves the best chance of that actually happening. Variables in Asia are entirely different. Right off the bat, their bathrooms are generally not even a third of the size as those in the West. Further, as I stated, why purposely make things difficult? CO is only peaceful when PPM concentrations are high enough - doing that somewhere that has a significant volume of air just makes everything harder.

You're overanalyzing this way too much. You're not going to stuff this up and end up a bedridden, dribbling vegetable so long as you stick to the fundamentals and avoid rushing the process. You've acknowledged that PPM has to be high for it to be peaceful, right? So purchase a CO analyser then, getting a 10,000ppm one, and running multiple tests on how high your concentration gets, and checking for any leakages in your chosen space will guarantee death, as long as the space is out putting 7,000ppm-10,000ppm then in under 10-20 minutes its game over. Yes, Asians have ideal bathroom sizes. If you feel yours is too big, you can reduce it by partitioning some areas off. If environment is well sealed and required ppm reached then size doesn't matter. People exposed to carbon monoxide intentionally/unintentionally and lived have done so because they were found and rescued. Don't be dumb and get found early.

 

[cluefixphantom]

I wouldn't do it in a car (I don't have one, anyway). But a small room or a small tent is always recommended so that the carbon monoxide can spread more quickly. I think it makes sense, and besides burning coal, there are other methods to produce carbon monoxide. I'm going to use a camping petroleum stove/portable kerosene heater (Petroliumofen).

Some people this year are already dead due to carbon monoxide poisoning. The poisoning involved larger devices, but I believe my camping petroleum stove will work as well. Just google"carbon monoxid poisoning" in news category to find new and older cases.

 

[SadCryingBunny]

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Unfortunately I wholeheartedly disagree.

Unless you want to end up in the psyche ward, constantly monitored and not able to attempt again, or at worst end up with all the same miserable problems you have now but exponentially compounded by very real organ or cerebral hypoxic damage having to have someone wipe your ass for the rest of your life, having to go in for dialysis treatments 3x a week, etc etc etc - after all carbon monoxide is a poison, I don't know why anyone would be adverse to "fussing over the technicalities".

Maybe you don't mind rolling the dice with possibly becoming a vegetable for the rest of your life, but hey, strongly agree to disagree.

I would think, considering what's at stake, and if your intent is truly to ctb, you would want to be a little more certain of making sure you don't just end up torturing yourself, or creating a life that could possibly be 1000x worse than it is now.

Of course there are no guarantees with anything - but there is such thing as probabilities.

Don't mean to be rude or anything, just wasn't really expecting a shoulder shrug. If someone is actually serious about ctb, it's only natural they would want to give themselves the best chance of that actually happening. Variables in Asia are entirely different. Right off the bat, their bathrooms are generally not even a third of the size as those in the West. Further, as I stated, why purposely make things difficult? CO is only peaceful when PPM concentrations are high enough - doing that somewhere that has a significant volume of air just makes everything harder.

Is nitrogen with an exit bag guaranteed if I'm restrained and it's flowing for 20 minutes after I'm unconscious. I'm very scared of it failing and having these severe damages. That's terrifying.

 

[truehappiness]

I don't get it. Why do so many people attempt carbon monoxide is a tent, or a car, or a bathroom or something?

It makes no sense. Why use a space with such a high volume of residual air? And who in gods name came up with a "megathread" that thought this would be a good idea? Having to use tons of charcoal and/or several BBQ grills - it makes no sense.

At lower concentrations, co is going to cause issues breathing, coughing, etc. But at high concentrations it's obviously as peaceful as it gets.

There's a reason Jack Kevorkian, aka Dr. Death, who championed the rights of death with dignity using carbon monoxide. His assistant even petitioned state governments in the US using things like Nitrogen for capital punishment, arguing that CO was much easier and more peaceful.

Granted, Kevorkian used a compressed cylinder of CO with a mask - however in every report, when the PPMs are high enough, the person loses consciousness immediately.

Every single small BBQ grill I've seen has a lid with a little vent on top that can be opened and closed or adjusted. Why not put the lid on and put a tube connected to a simple oxygen mask? The PPMs of CO would be incredibly high as the fumes have nowhere to go but out through the tub/vent.

I understand people did this with the COgen generator that mixes 2 acids to create CO. The problem with that is you now are inhaling CO along with a very caustic and noxious acid, causing severe discomfort. This could be alleviates with a water wash, meaning the tube exhausting the CO from the acidic reaction only needs to be stuck in to a jar/glass of water - as it bubbles up the water washes the acid and leaves a bubble of pure carbon monoxide.

This could be easily done with a grill. Tube from vent goes to covered glass of water, tube from lid of water goes to mask.

Honestly, I don't understand why we have a megathread here talking about tents and sealing cars or closets.

Furthermore, there are "co testing kits" - like aerosol spray meant to test co alarms. Amazon has the at 2000ppm of co. That means 1 burst spray is 2000ppm. Seems to me if you emptied the can into a bag you'd have well over 12000 ppm, which means immediate unconsciousness and ctb in minutes.

What am I missing here?

I want to preface this by saying that I am not sure about the chemical consequences of this.

But wouldn't using a mask like this cause you to feel the symptoms of suffocation? Because the exhaled CO2 can not go anywhere therefore bottling up again in your mask and causing you to feel the suffocation symtoms?

Please correct me here If I am wrong :')
Else I do like your idea actually!

This would be my idea of a setup:

Buying a grill and then buying a bucket with lid.
Making two holes in the lid and duct taping two of those tubes on it. Maybe use a hopper ducttaped to the grill exhaust to bundle the CO more?
And in the end leading it to a gas mask where you duct tape the tube on again.

Would that setup work in your scenario?

 

[pascagalias]

But wouldn't using a mask like this cause you to feel the symptoms of suffocation? Because the exhaled CO2 can not go anywhere therefore bottling up again in your mask and causing you to feel the suffocation symtoms?

There are two types of masks: Rebreather and Non-Rebreather. With the Non-Rebreathers, all the exhaled CO2 will escape the mask through a one-way valve.

 

[truehappiness]

There are two types of masks: Rebreather and Non-Rebreather. With the Non-Rebreathers, all the exhaled CO2 will escape the mask through a one-way valve.

Ahhhh good point!
Thank you