Any right wing/conservatives here?

[Boochky]

I admire the strong and despise the weak, I guess that´s the opposite of left wing.

Sorry to be weak through my chronic illness. I'm here trying to cull myself for the heartless like you. Although isn't that its own kind of weakness? I always found the kind to actually be the strong ones

 

[amerie]

Perhaps it's because this is a pro choice site and most conservatives are natalist or pro-life and this site is literally a walking contradiction

 

[Boochky]

Theres always 4chan if you feel you can't coexist with people from other political groups on here. Feels very sports teamy. I personally dgaf about politics. I just want to die. When things start getting more extreme maybe the government will do me a favour and put a bullet in my head.

Yeah, weird that we can't even have solidarity through our common goal of death.

Unfortunately more likely in the US, if that's where you are, that the government would try to extract as much free (slave) labor as possible along with starvation and torture, if we're looking at history or even the current state of things

If it were just a bullet, I would welcome that

 

[Lily&Lotus]

Cognitive dissonance. It's a pretty common occurrence. They don't realise that by being mentally Ill and suicidal, that they are also weak. ONE OF US!!

Perhaps it's because this is a pro choice site and most conservatives are natalist or pro-life and this site is literally a walking contradiction

 

[R. A.]

I'm a right-winger, not a conservative. Those are two different things.

Can you elaborate? This is an open question to anyone who identifies with either term and agrees with this.

I've heard things like "socially liberal, fiscally conservative", but something tells me that's not what you mean.

 

[Lily&Lotus]

Yeah, weird that we can't even have solidarity through our common goal of death.

Unfortunately more likely in the US, if that's where you are, that the government would try to extract as much free (slave) labor as possible along with starvation and torture, if we're looking at history or even the current state of things

If it were just a bullet, I would welcome that

Right???

I'm not, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's coming. Labour death camps in our future. They can't make me do shit. I'll be so insufferable they'll kill me to remove the stress.

 

[brokenspirited]

Can you elaborate? This is an open question to anyone who identifies with either term and agrees with this.

I'm an adherent of anarcho-capitalism.

 

[Boochky]

Re: mental illness & weakness, For any of those that the conservative / rw shits on who need to hear it

 

[brokenspirited]

 

[quietwoods]

What the heck does this visualization even mean? What are the data points, what makes them take a particular position on the plane, what do the lines between them mean, what makes them darker blue or light blue or light red or red?

What does "very narrow set of opinion" mean in this context?

If the right diverges on opinion, then doesn't right and the left also diverge on opinion and how is that divergence represented?

Ever second I stare at this I have more questions.

Just seems like someone asked ChatGPT to create some random controversial diagram.

 

[Ashu]

I am a right wing/conservative.

Exactly. they belong on blue sky (I call blue cry) or reddit. leftist and leftism gives me a HUGE ick.

All we suicidal people belong here.

 

[Boochky]

What the heck does this visualization even mean? What are the data points, what makes them take a particular position on the plane, what do the lines between them mean, what makes them darker blue or light blue or light red or red?

What does "very narrow set of opinion" mean in this context?

If the right diverges on opinion, then doesn't right and the left also diverge on opinion and how is that divergence represented?

Ever second I stare at this I have more questions.

Just seems like someone asked ChatGPT to create some random controversial diagram.

Yeah these White Nationalist Christian Confederate Space Nazis I'm living under are so non conformist

 

[R. A.]

What the heck does this visualization even mean? What are the data points, what makes them take a particular position on the plane, what do the lines between them mean, what makes them darker blue or light blue or light red or red?

What does "very narrow set of opinion" mean in this context?

If the right diverges on opinion, then doesn't right and the left also diverge on opinion and how is that divergence represented?

Ever second I stare at this I have more questions.

Just seems like someone asked ChatGPT to create some random controversial diagram.

Yeah every science alarm bell in my head went off seeing this. Unsurprisingly:

 

[Boochky]

What the heck does this visualization even mean? What are the data points, what makes them take a particular position on the plane, what do the lines between them mean, what makes them darker blue or light blue or light red or red?

What does "very narrow set of opinion" mean in this context?

If the right diverges on opinion, then doesn't right and the left also diverge on opinion and how is that divergence represented?

Ever second I stare at this I have more questions.

Just seems like someone asked ChatGPT to create some random controversial diagram.

Oops, apologies, I replied to you and not the original bearer data of the Rorschach data points

 

[brokenspirited]

What the heck does this visualization even mean? What are the data points, what makes them take a particular position on the plane, what do the lines between them mean, what makes them darker blue or light blue or light red or red?

What does "very narrow set of opinion" mean in this context?

If the right diverges on opinion, then doesn't right and the left also diverge on opinion and how is that divergence represented?

Ever second I stare at this I have more questions.

Just seems like someone asked ChatGPT to create some random controversial diagram.

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[Unbearable Mr. Bear]

Can we stop talking about political positions like they are unchangeable absolutes? If you wanna put a threshold on how much left/right is real left/right, be my guest, just don't think this opinion is fact. Stop being so picky and accept differences, as long as they're not enabling pain.

 

[klantedklaw]

I used to be alt/ far right, I've been chudified from /pol/ since circa 2015. I used to hate transgenders, LGBTQ+, drug addicts and other "degenerates", especially since I was 14-18 years old (which are quite impressionable ages) and was a diehard natsoc.

Now I identify as apolitical or as someone taking a third position away from the dichomatic "left vs right". It's not very nuanced and quite absurd to think that you can group everyone's political positions and moral frameworks into "left or right wing". The reality is that it's "rich (elites) vs humanity". "left vs right" is just a ploy to keep us fighting each other.

I hate conservatives (who only conserve Israel and the bank accounts of the elites) and the left (who force elite mandated progressive imperatives on everyone). Both sides are equally worthless as each other.

If I had to label myself now I would consider myself a libertarian (socially) and a socialist (economically). People have a right to live their lives the way they want without fear, as long as it doesn't directly affect others. If you want to live in a traditional family you should be able to do that, if you want to be gay or transgender you should have the right to do that too. Ultimately I am pro-choice: people can choose how they live (or end) their lives because everyone is different and no law from the government can be inclusive / representative of everyone.

Worrying about politics is also stupid, it's just a performative circus (that you have no input in) which slowly destroys itself. Take for instance the recent increase in censorship (UK, AU, Russia VPN ban), these nations think that by enacting these laws they help censor their population, it has the opposite effect. Proxies (shadowsocks), obfuscation, tunnels, encryption, tor/i2p use will surge - and before long these nations will realise they've dug themselves a grave. They have inadvertently radicalised their own populations and made them use technologies which the government has 0 ability to regulate or censor.

In a way I think the current political climate is good, it's pushing people away and eroding trust in traditional power structures (institutions/ governments) and people will realise that left and right wing people are very similar to one another. Most gen Z are also quite open minded and tolerant of others so so think the future will be bright if we continue dismantling exploitative corporations/ power structures.

If people just started loving other people the world would be a better place, and being right and left wing doesn't let you do that. (๑′ᴗ‵๑)Ｉ Lᵒᵛᵉᵧₒᵤ♥

 

[whywere]

I live in a blue state in the U.S. quickly, a blue state is considered liberal, and a red state is considered conservative.

I am unique in so far as I am conservative fiscally speaking, however I am very liberal when it comes social issues and humans helping each other. I am 100% pro-choice and it always makes me shudder thinking that someone can tell someone else how to live, like abortion, ctb anything NOPE!

My state is rated highly for lifestyle, healthcare, low living costs and above average compensation plans. We have guaranteed abortion rights in our state constitution, that is the way it should be.

Let each and every person make their own choices. I always find it so funny how some people are against this or that or like someone who had an abortion and now regrets it.

Guess what? They had the RIGHT to choose to begin with.

So, conservative over all? NOPE!

I have my own skeletons in my closet, and I do not feel that I have any right to tell anyone how to live period.

Orange face? YIKES! Ranked by historians as the 7th WORST U.S. president EVER, enough said.

Let me be me and let you be you, open and free and no conservative telling folks what is right or wrong, PRO-CHOICE all the way.

Walter

 

[Unbearable Mr. Bear]

While I think "the 1% vs the rest" needs more nuance, and should not be taken as generalization, as I'm sure there are a few 1%ers that at least try to be active about social issues, and of course there are people of the "rest" that would gladly dig their own graves for their overlords, mostly due to their own experiences, but it is mostly true and will always be in a world where its own prevalent economical system encourages our primal instincts of conquest and domination instead of our peaceful social nature of, you know, helping our own kind into being constructive and intelligent, or at least non-destructive.

Building to destroy is as sound as cooking to throw it out afterwards.

 

[temporal_anchorite]

I'd certainly be regarded as "right-wing" in the economic sense as I'm very much in favor of capitalism, free markets, free trade, globalization, deregulation, and lower taxes.

Although socially, I'm very much a liberal (in the classical & philosophical sense), but not necessarily a leftist. I'm staunchly pro-choice and strongly support maximizing autonomy for the individual. I dislike leftists/progressives because I think many of them are hateful, antisemitic, racist, sexist, ignorant, and have a downright authoritarian disposition where they deeply desire to forcefully impose their brand of morality upon others—not so dissimilar from their conservative counterparts.

Simply put, I want gay couples to be able to legally defend their cannabis grow houses with fully automatic machine guns.

I suppose most would consider me a classical liberal or moderate libertarian.

 

[R. A.]

problem with all y'all's libertarianism is it assumes every person has equal capacity for autonomy.
if your legs didn't work, you'd need other people to help you get around and/or make assistive devices.
same if your arms didn't work. or you couldn't see. or make your own insulin. or fucking whatever.
libertarianism is based on a false conception of humans being inherently independent beings which we fucking are not.

if you were left on your own as soon as you were born you would have died real goddamn fast (whether or not you'd rather be dead now is obviously irrelevant to this topic but i know i need to get ahead of that disingenuous shit in advance).

 

[Unbearable Mr. Bear]

problem with all y'all's libertarianism is it assumes every person has equal capacity for autonomy.
if your legs didn't work, you'd need other people to help you get around and/or make assistive devices.
same if your arms didn't work. or you couldn't see. or make your own insulin. or fucking whatever.
libertarianism is based on a false conception of humans being inherently independent beings which we fucking are not.

if you were left on your own as soon as you were born you would have died real goddamn fast (whether or not you'd rather be dead now is obviously irrelevant to this topic but i know i need to get ahead of that disingenuous shit in advance).

Most libertarians don't think so far. Humanity works mostly because we are a social cooperative species. If we had this "everyone for themselves" thinking back in the primordial societies, we would be wiped out pretty soon. Before you even wake up, you already relied on half of the world, so that individualistic way of thinking is not only flawed, it's dangerous.

 

[temporal_anchorite]

problem with all y'all's libertarianism is it assumes every person has equal capacity for autonomy.
if your legs didn't work, you'd need other people to help you get around and/or make assistive devices.
same if your arms didn't work. or you couldn't see. or make your own insulin. or fucking whatever.
libertarianism is based on a false conception of humans being inherently independent beings which we fucking are not.

if you were left on your own as soon as you were born you would have died real goddamn fast (whether or not you'd rather be dead now is obviously irrelevant to this topic but i know i need to get ahead of that disingenuous shit in advance).

Well, we all quite literally all do have the capacity for autonomy, that's one of the key facets that define free will and human existence compared to other animals.

Do you honestly think that if the government didn't exist, no one would intervene to help the disabled or disadvantaged communities? Even if people don't act purely out empathy or altruism, financial incentives have been massive motivating factors for driving innovation and developing new treatments in the medical field.

Libertarianism doesn't rely on us being inherently independent, quite the opposite really. Human beings are inherently social and collaborative creatures that prioritize the sustainment & survival of their own species, we just don't think everything needs to be facilitated & governed by a paternalistic state-ran entity. People depending on each other (as opposed to the government) actually fosters an even stronger sense of community.

I'm not even entirely opposed to some minimal form of UBI, negative income tax, or disability for those truly need it and are physically incapable of contributing to the economy. The problem now is, the current welfare system the US has instituted is grossly abused and leveraged by people who don't exactly need it.

And I'm not an anarchist, child abandonment/desertion should still be a crime lmao

If we had this "everyone for themselves" thinking back in the primordial societies, we would be wiped out pretty soon. Before you even wake up, you already relied on half of the world, so that individualistic way of thinking is not only flawed, it's dangerous.

Oh for sure, and those primoradial societies only survived because of taxes and the state telling them what to do, right? Be for real...

You seem to be under the impression that I subscribe to some bizarre caricature of Ayn Randian-like objectivism lol

 

[Adûnâi]

There are some very interesting threads on X / Twitter about modern and post-modern art and architecture and how things are designed to demoralize instead of uplift us. The argument is that after the industrial revolution, this was all done by design. Today, corporations continue this. (Look at the way buildings are designed and the artwork on display or ads / art pushed on us.) Super interesting.

I'd add the UI design which evolved into the 3D Aero on Windows 7 but has now degraded into these ugly flat shapes for the phones.

I'm considered very left-wing in Israel because I'm pro-Palestine. But I'm probably closer to the political centre/centre-left by international standards.

@Adûnâi maybe you want to answer the question?

Oh do you mean the OP? Because indeed, I am huge on traditionalism! With the caveat that I'm not anti-science, so in a way, I wouldn't necessarily oppose the replacement of biological life with more efficient machines.

In a way, I'm more of a Nietzschean amor fati and struggle for power - those who win deserve to inherit the planet. How they win is not exactly known to me, but I'd put my proverbial hryvnias on something related to total slavery and genocide. Why?

Umm, because life is disgusting, silly! That's why I don't oppose slavery and genocide. Because those are the essence of this abominable debauchery called existence! So I don't exactly see the point "improving" it, when by improving it you're detaching yourself from life, and thus - are going extinct, replaced by the cruel and brutish savages with no moral qualms aside from merry slaughter and rape.

This might read like trolling. Like comic book villainism. So maybe I am merely a Christian cuck in denial? My reactionary attitude is simplistically anti-Christian. Everything that Christians do, I reverse, because Christianity was the original reversal of all values.

That said, it may also be read as a pro-Christian because I'm not shying away from calling reality deeply detestable. I don't view pedophilia or slavery as particularly abhorrent when life itself begins with rape - raping us into existence without our "consent". Sperm have no rights, and neither does any human for that matter. When everything is vile. nothing is.

In simpler strokes, I despise most aspects of physical existence, yet I have a natural proclivity to history, culture war and geopolitics. These are not necessarily tied together coherently. But being honest, I can admit that pursuing one side will be viewed as vomit-inducing from the other.

Thankfully, I am not a proud Prussian Junker forcefully married to a hot German rural lady at gun point, so all such things are pure conjecture for my dull mind.

 

[Tord]

Personally I like to say it doesn't matter what the hell I or you are because death won't discriminate either way one day.

 

[collapsenik]

I used to be alt/ far right, I've been chudified from /pol/ since circa 2015. I used to hate transgenders, LGBTQ+, drug addicts and other "degenerates", especially since I was 14-18 years old (which are quite impressionable ages) and was a diehard natsoc.

Now I identify as apolitical or as someone taking a third position away from the dichomatic "left vs right". It's not very nuanced and quite absurd to think that you can group everyone's political positions and moral frameworks into "left or right wing". The reality is that it's "rich (elites) vs humanity". "left vs right" is just a ploy to keep us fighting each other.

I hate conservatives (who only conserve Israel and the bank accounts of the elites) and the left (who force elite mandated progressive imperatives on everyone). Both sides are equally worthless as each other.

If I had to label myself now I would consider myself a libertarian (socially) and a socialist (economically). People have a right to live their lives the way they want without fear, as long as it doesn't directly affect others. If you want to live in a traditional family you should be able to do that, if you want to be gay or transgender you should have the right to do that too. Ultimately I am pro-choice: people can choose how they live (or end) their lives because everyone is different and no law from the government can be inclusive / representative of everyone.

Worrying about politics is also stupid, it's just a performative circus (that you have no input in) which slowly destroys itself. Take for instance the recent increase in censorship (UK, AU, Russia VPN ban), these nations think that by enacting these laws they help censor their population, it has the opposite effect. Proxies (shadowsocks), obfuscation, tunnels, encryption, tor/i2p use will surge - and before long these nations will realise they've dug themselves a grave. They have inadvertently radicalised their own populations and made them use technologies which the government has 0 ability to regulate or censor.

In a way I think the current political climate is good, it's pushing people away and eroding trust in traditional power structures (institutions/ governments) and people will realise that left and right wing people are very similar to one another. Most gen Z are also quite open minded and tolerant of others so so think the future will be bright if we continue dismantling exploitative corporations/ power structures.

If people just started loving other people the world would be a better place, and being right and left wing doesn't let you do that. (๑′ᴗ‵๑)Ｉ Lᵒᵛᵉᵧₒᵤ♥

that's a real interesting viewpoint. I think we have pretty similar political viewpoints, even though I think the current political climate is pretty bad. I've seen less trust eroded in power structures and more trust eroded in people who should be your loved ones.
Still would love to hear more about what you think

 

[thelastmessiah]

Leftism tends to go hand in hand with mental illness, which is why you can see so many of them here.

In my opinion both really far left types who are a lot of the time tankies and really far right types who are a lot of the time nazis tend to be really mentally ill, it tends to push people towards extremism either way pretty much equally. I'm some sort of liberal although one that doesn't suck off the government wholeheartedly.

 

[Zeir Anpin 729]

I was a leftist but then radical feminism became a part of every leftist institution so I quit leftism entirely. However, it still says "democrat" on my driver's license. The DMV just slapped that on there. Cringe. Jokes on them because I don't drive. I have no car. (Thanks rich capitalist 1% for draining my life away with healthcare bills I can't pay because I was robbed of insurance!!!)

 

[Pessimist]

I was a leftist but then radical feminism became a part of every leftist institution so I quit leftism entirely. However, it still says "democrat" on my driver's license. The DMV just slapped that on there. Cringe. Jokes on them because I don't drive. I have no car. (Thanks rich capitalist 1% for draining my life away with healthcare bills I can't pay because I was robbed of insurance!!!)

I also dislike how radical feminism and gender theory became a central part of left-wing politics in the West. I can't pretend to care that much about non-binary rights and "smashing the patriarchy".