A warning about purchasing N

[OnlyMercy]

I'm sorry to hear that.
Did you get a tracking number to confirm the first order was sent or was it held by customs?

Yeah at least I got a tracking number on my first order and based on the online tracking status, the destination seemed to be correct.

Who know, maybe the first order will "magically" arrive and I'll end up with three bottles of N... A guy can hope right

 

[Xerxes]

With the government shutdown in the USA, Customs officers are not getting paid to process or check shipments as they come through so I think they're backlogged for awhile cause no one wants to be forced to work without pay.

 

[Deleted member 4993]

There are many Chinese companies manufacturing it and a few were still willing to sell it until a few months ago.
Sadly many would scam you so it was a learning curve for $ but it was obtained by a few.

It is not obtainable from the many companies I and others contacted anymore. Perhaps someone might find different in the future, best of luck.

The problem is that many who search don't trust Exit with info anymore, any new source would soon be destroyed by being published.
Perhaps some might disagree but we all have our own opinions.

 

[Goldenwolf]

Oh fuck..........I ordered................. Dear god no, why is this all happening now?....... I paid a lot of money before this thread was made a few days ago. Private courier. He said 2-3 weeks tops. In a recent message with him, he told me he would send it Saturday, today. This was about 2 days ago and he said this earlier message.

 

[Nofaith]

Oh fuck..........I ordered................. Dear god no, why is this all happening now?....... I paid a lot of money before this thread was made a few days ago. Private courier. He said 2-3 weeks tops. In a recent message with him, he told me he would send it Saturday, today. This was about 2 days ago and he said this earlier message.

You might be one of the fortunate ones but as soon you get your tracking number, you will know the destination of the package.

 

[Arak]

@Xerxes , surely that won't stop international mail service, especially outbound, will it ?

 

[Johnnythefox]

I've always been wary of ordering N, as I've always known that there is a risk of not receiving it. Whether this is down to being scammed or not is debatable, I tend to side on the interception by customs, as I would think any package coming from any south American country is going to raise suspicion given the reputation for illegal activity.

 

[Xerxes]

@Xerxes , surely that won't stop international mail service, especially outbound, will it ?

People in the USA will experience delays, but everywhere else is fine.

 

[Asdr5633]

Dealers all around the internet, whether in drug selling or other similar trades, are known to "exit scam". They build up a good reputation by delivering a legit service for x years, and then when they are ready to stop, there is nothing stopping them from scamming some final customers before they disappear. I am not saying that A is doing that, but it is a possibility and something to always be aware of when dealing with anyone in a similar business to this, whether they have a good reputation or not.

 

[Chinaski]

Dealers all around the internet, whether in drug selling or other similar trades, are known to "exit scam". They build up a good reputation by delivering a legit service for x years, and then when they are ready to stop, there is nothing stopping them from scamming some final customers before they disappear. I am not saying that A is doing that, but it is a possibility and something to always be aware of when dealing with anyone in a similar business to this, whether they have a good reputation or not.

I'll add here that one could wonder if A's 'surgery' was not something else.

Vet, drug dealer ? I've seen data from the tracking numbers.

I suspect that demand is greater than supply. I also suspect that he's quite willing to take orders and money, but that he doesn't have the stock to deliver. Has he ever said 'no' ?

There's a lot of speculation emerging in this thread based on a couple of bad reports. Yes, these reports are concerning, and yes, if l was looking to order I'd be grateful for the info, but this is swiftly descending into "A is now a scammer" territory; in the megathread literally the same stuff was spouted during a period late last summer when there were significant difficulties with the Mexican postal system which hampered many deliveries. After that, it righted itself, A successfully delivered again. It's bad news that some people have had bad experiences and these do need detailing tbh, but this has always been the risk of such a transaction, sadly.

I'm not here pitching for A btw, as l say if l was a punter I'd hold off, wait at least until Exit reopens and try and find similar experiences there, it's absolutely right that caution is advised, given the above; but there have been similar hiccups before, and the more prematurely A is written off completely, the sooner we'll see the vultures circling.

 

[Goldenwolf]

You might be one of the fortunate ones but as soon you get your tracking number, you will know the destination of the package.

I hope so, thanks for posting this information to us all.

 

[Deleted member 4993]

Yes you are 100% right in your appraisal. Everybody deserves the benefit of the doubt.
It was the same with J regarding purity, Exit never admitted that the EC lab results were found to be dubious.
Untrained staff etc and other things.

 

[Nofaith]

I know this is something people will ignore, especially if they are on the waiting end, but this is how it has always been. 10 years ago multiple Chinese sellers and A's operation both were generating the same sorts of posts and worries. Sometimes people get stuff fast, sometimes slow, sometimes there is an interception, sometimes a loss in the post, sometimes someone is lying to make trouble, sometimes someone used the wrong address and got a scammer. Nothing has changed except A is the only seller left with a track record and any legitimacy. The entire increasing demand falling to that one source has increased delays and problems. There are a lot of crazy or desperate people writing them and I wouldn't be surprised if they just ignore the ones that sound like trouble. I wouldn't be surprised if some just get lost in the huge amounts of emails as well. Exit scam is always possible but I think unlikely here....and one day they WILL stop selling for whatever reason, retirement, risk, got caught etc like all the rest.

Every time someone posts something like this people say "I KNEW IT...TOTAL SCAM!"...and when someone gets theirs people say "I wish I would have ordered." Overall nothing has REALLY changed in all these years. N is not, and has never been, something you can get at the last minute or in a few days. It's always taken many weeks to months and has always been a risk. My anecdotal review of years of watching this is MOST people who ordered from legit sources over the years got theirs eventually.

If you are willing to risk it you just have to order it and wait. It doesn't matter that there SHOULD be a better way, or what theories anyone has, it matters what is....and this is what is...it's not Amazon. Personally I find the current prices criminal (hah) but it's the only game in town if you want N. I don't believe experiences like the OP's, as maddening as it is for them and I sympathize, are the norm...but they DO happen.

There's a lot of speculation emerging in this thread based on a couple of bad reports. Yes, these reports are concerning, and yes, if l was looking to order I'd be grateful for the info, but this is swiftly descending into "A is now a scammer" territory; in the megathread literally the same stuff was spouted during a period late last summer when there were significant difficulties with the Mexican postal system which hampered many deliveries. After that, it righted itself, A successfully delivered again. It's bad news that some people have had bad experiences and these do need detailing tbh, but this has always been the risk of such a transaction, sadly.

I'm not here pitching for A btw, as l say if l was a punter I'd hold off, wait at least until Exit reopens and try and find similar experiences there, it's absolutely right that caution is advised, given the above; but there have been similar hiccups before, and the more prematurely A is written off completely, the sooner we'll see the vultures circling.

I don't think the thread is descending to A being scammer because some people are still getting their orders.

My problem is that I can't get confirmation it was sent and neither can a few other people.

Buyers should be aware that this can happen to them, never mind customs seizing it. I think back in August there were delays but they still had tracking numbers. I can't even get that.

If A was scamming he would never have bothered replying but I don't like how this is still ongoing and when it doesn't seem like it's something that is difficult to resolve.

And no it's not Amazon but if I had known that this was a possibility, I wouldn't have bothered. I just want other people to have the information out there so they know this could happen to them.

 

[Chinaski]

I don't think the thread is descending to A being scammer because some people are still getting their orders.

The posts l quoted perfectly illustrate the degree of speculation regarding A that emerges within minutes of a report of a bad experience. The point l was trying to make was that we're best served by genuine reports of experiences such as yours at the minute, rather than the gossip and speculation about A being a scam which were quoted in my post. These nonsense posts don't help us at all, but they do help N scammers.

 

[Nofaith]

The posts l quoted perfectly illustrate the degree of speculation regarding A that emerges within minutes of a report of a bad experience. The point l was trying to make was that we're best served by genuine reports of experiences such as yours at the minute, rather than the gossip and speculation about A being a scam which were quoted in my post. These nonsense posts don't help us at all, but they do help N scammers.

People will talk and speculate that can't be helped.
I'm hoping anyone else who has had a similar experiences will come forward so we have a better idea of how reliable A is at the moment. And like someone else mentioned, wait to see what the recent experiences have been on ExitInt, if anyone has access to their site.

Maybe I was so wordy you missed it...but it's ALWAYS been this way. It's not new. It's in every thread discussing A and N online. You got the shit end of the stick and fell in one of the holes. It's not fair, it's not your fault, but it's not new. All you can do is keep trying to communicate politely...if you are at all challenging or aggressive with them, even though you have the right to be, it's gonna go badly for you.

As a trouble shooting step just in case...and don't be offended at the simple suggestion...are you sure you ordered from the actual A? Did you get the email from the actual PPH and crosscheck it with others? Some people have used a fake email with just one letter changed and gotten strung along with excuses etc.

I know what you meant, I'm just saying at the time I ordered I was totally ignorant that this could happen. My biggest worry was customs seizing it but I from what I read, everyone had confirmed dispatch, so it seemed good to go. There is a lot of information in that thread and what we need is bullet points of pros and cons that you can access easily.
The email address was from the PPeH that I downloaded from this site in September which @Johnnythefox kindly it looked up (outside of this site) and it is the correct one. Like I said, if it was a scammer he'd have taken the money and ran. He would have never bothered replying to emails, 3 months after the fact.

 

[Chinaski]

People will talk and speculate that can't be helped.
And like someone else mentioned, wait to see what the recent experiences have been on ExitInt, if anyone has access to their site.

Yes, potentially harmful speculation *can* be helped, simply by not talking shit, basically.

And it was me who suggested waiting for further info from Exit, l appreciate you've had a bad experience but it's not good to reply to me by, like, quoting my own posts back at me.

 

[Nofaith]

Yes, potentially harmful speculation *can* be helped, simply by not talking shit, basically.

And it was me who suggested waiting for further info from Exit, l appreciate you've had a bad experience but it's not good to reply to me by, like, quoting my own posts back at me.

Okay my mistake, no need for hostility.

 

[ddutch]

It can happen the order is not delivered it even happens with companies. Sorry to hear it went wrong for the few people here who had that problem.

And dont blame him for not having a bookkeeper. He does what he can with all the emails.

Just think how many from here contact him and multiply that 15 times. That's not even close to the amount of emails he but probably they try to keep up with every day. I know how many packages they send every week.

I ordered during the surgery
It did not went smoothly but i kept contact also in spanish. That was even more beneficial i noticed..

I have received it and it works fine with the test i did on myself.

 

[HelensNepenthe]

Still waiting for my financial aid go through. Only if there were other suppliers of N that would make the costs go down a bit.

@ddutch - Are you efficient enough in Spanish to write to A? I've never wrote to him so I don't know if A uses Google Translate himself.

 

[ddutch]

Still waiting for my financial aid go through. Only if there were other suppliers of N that would make the costs go down a bit.

@ddutch - Are you efficient enough in Spanish to write to A? I've never wrote to him so I don't know if A uses Google Translate himself.

They do use google translate I have noticed. At one time a assistant of A told me A couldn't awnser because he did not feel well. I noticed the writing was different and not as good.

But i started talking Spanish because i tought i was scammed. And from the contact i had with "a" in the first 2 email addresses i went to the third address.
I explained what happened and that i tought i was scammed by a person with the same name All in Spanish.

He replied with that the first 2 are also his. I ony had to prove the payment and give the copy of the emails . He took care from that moment on kept his word on everything.

PS for the people who think wtf 3 emails. Yes he does have 3 its a old one, dont use is because it is not Proton.

 

[PrettyReckless]

Thought I'd share my experience as I received my N from A recently.

Made contact via encrypted email and communicated my desire to buy 3 bottles. A replied on a Monday with the info I needed/needed to supply, I made the BTC transaction Tuesday, and he said that it shipped on a Saturday. I received the N the following Friday, so about 5 days turn around to the United States.

It sounds like my experience was pretty easy compared to some others, but I would second those who said that A can be a reliable supplier of N. I was very polite and prompt with my responses and payment, so that may be something A appreciates, for what it's worth. I'm looking at CTB on the 31st - I'll post something once it's a little closer - but if you don't hear from me after that you'll know the product was as advertised as well.

 

[Winona]

Hey!

@Nofaith , thanks for this thread, it's really a useful one.
It would be great to add a poll to see the number of lucky and unlucky N. buyers.

Personally I didn't succeed, unfortunately.

My first attempt was in autumn via regular mail. I never got the tracking number, although I asked for it several times. I'm not quite sure the package was shipped.

More than 2 months later I asked to resend N. and A. shipped it at a lower price than the first time via private courier. He gave me the tracking number according to which my package is stuck somewhere in US for nearly 3 weeks and isn't moving (I'm from Europe).

I don't hope to get my N. and I'm not going to make orders anymore.

I'm not saying A. isn't reliable or a scammer, but I think, people should be aware of that obtaining N. from A. is a lottery.

 

[OnlyMercy]

Thought I'd share my experience as I received my N from A recently.

Made contact via encrypted email and communicated my desire to buy 3 bottles. A replied on a Monday with the info I needed/needed to supply, I made the BTC transaction Tuesday, and he said that it shipped on a Saturday. I received the N the following Friday, so about 5 days turn around to the United States.

It sounds like my experience was pretty easy compared to some others, but I would second those who said that A can be a reliable supplier of N. I was very polite and prompt with my responses and payment, so that may be something A appreciates, for what it's worth. I'm looking at CTB on the 31st - I'll post something once it's a little closer - but if you don't hear from me after that you'll know the product was as advertised as well.

It seems highly advisable to order through "Private Courier" (which is not really private courier at all) if you're based in the US as the "Private Courier" is shipped from the US.

This might explain why customers based in the US receive their parcel with much more regularity and consistency as the package is transported through a domestic network. International shipments are much more complicated...

 

[Nofaith]

Hey!

@Nofaith , thanks for this thread, it's really a useful one.
It would be great to add a poll to see the number of lucky and unlucky N. buyers.

Personally I didn't succeed, unfortunately.

My first attempt was in autumn via regular mail. I never got the tracking number, although I asked for it several times. I'm not quite sure the package was shipped.

More than 2 months later I asked to resend N. and A. shipped it at a lower price than the first time via private courier. He gave me the tracking number according to which my package is stuck somewhere in US for nearly 3 weeks and isn't moving (I'm from Europe).

I don't hope to get my N. and I'm not going to make orders anymore.

I'm not saying A. isn't reliable or a scammer, but I think, people should be aware of that obtaining N. from A. is a lottery.

The orders I was tracking took about 6 weeks before they were delivered and they were going to the UK, so your order still may arrive yet.

Also forgot to mention it's too late for me to add a poll lol.

 

[Nofaith]

US buyers have a higher success rate.

I just wanted to point out to everyone that I made payment promptly and was always polite, even after waiting for so long.

I know being rude wouldn't get me anywhere. And chances are if I was rude, he never would have bothered replying.

On another note, I just want to reiterate I'm not talking about a lost or delayed package. I'm talking about a package that A can't satisfactorily prove was sent after 3 months. And as much as people would like to lay the blame at my feet, that just simply isn't the case. Seller's make mistakes and this is one of them and I'm not alone here.

I just want the information out there to possible buyers (especially those who are not US based), that this could happen. Be informed. Not like I was who just thought the worst that could happen, is a seized package.

For some people losing $500+ is the difference between paying rent and eating, especially if you are desperate.

 

[Sanguinius]

May it be tgat you made a typo in the email adress?

 

[creationisdeath]

I'll add here that one could wonder if A's 'surgery' was not something else.

Vet, drug dealer ? I've seen data from the tracking numbers.

I suspect that demand is greater than supply. I also suspect that he's quite willing to take orders and money, but that he doesn't have the stock to deliver. Has he ever said 'no' ?

If he is indeed a vet then stock should never be an issue since N is worth absolutely nothing. He can buy tons of it for the price of takeout. The only limit might be that the company he buys from gets suspicious if he has so many animals that need to be put down. Then again Mexico has tons of street dogs..

I paid by Bitcoin and investigated the total payments made to one of the wallets A uses for this purpose - anyone can do this as the information is in the public domain. He must be close to millionaire status just based on Bitcoin payments alone. Perhaps he's decided to close shop and slowly let his brand decline?

What a big unfortunate mess really...

He doesn't even adhere to the basics of crypto privacy? Reusing addresses is beyond dumb.
If you tracked beyond that there is no way to know. It's more likely a trade/exchange. He also most certainly has many many millions. N is worth nothing, he only has pure profit.

My own experience is also bad. He is simply lying or suffering from Alzheimers. I say lying. He said X to me in an email and in the follow up email (with the reply where he said X still being in the SAME TEXT) he suddenly says he never did.

A is probably "selective scamming" to increase profits. Any kid can make a spreadsheet with address+amount+tracking number.

People who defend him based on "lots of activity/effort" are stupid too. Sorry to be harsh, but that is stupid. ANYONE with a computer can make a super primitive spreadsheet... or even a damn text file. Being unorganized to this extent makes no sense for anybody - especially not a professional like a vet. When you're on meth it might be realistic.

 

[creationisdeath]

For some people losing $500+ is the difference between paying rent and eating, especially if you are desperate.

Thank you! This makes my blood boil when I read some of the posts defending A.

BUYING FROM A MEANS RISKING GOING HOMELESS/STARVING FOR MANY PEOPLE

Look how many people here even CTB simply due to financial issues and the tons of others who barely scrape by.

That's why I always say if you want to buy N - prepare to pay multiple times.

Truth hurts. I also wanted to believe in it. But my own experience with A is outlined above and confirms that he is not to be trusted. It's a gamble.

 

[ddutch]

It is a gamble for all of us.
I know multiple people here who recieved their order around November and December.

So what i think and also said.
It is not A as in one man operation but more people have access to the email that we use to contact. And miscommunication ends up with flaws in sending orders.

Thing dont just always run smoothly.
This is like a drug operation that traffic drugs all over the world. Its faulty and its a gamble the risk is high for both parties.


Try find a more reliable source is there one?? No dont think so at the moment

 

[Chinaski]

Thank you! This makes my blood boil when I read some of the posts defending A.

BUYING FROM A MEANS RISKING GOING HOMELESS/STARVING FOR MANY PEOPLE

Yes, and that has literally always been the risk if such a transaction; it can go missing, it can be intercepted, whatever. It's always a gamble that might not pay off, and it's a gamble often made by desperate people. The fact that $500 dollars is a lot of money is not as crucial a point here as you're making it out to be. It's always, always a gamble, and everything is stacked in favour of the vendor, but A does have a track record of delivering N; as always, some people get it, some sadly don't.

Suggesting it's wise to hold off on ordering given the above experiences is absolutely fair enough, but outing A as a scammer at this early stage is premature; the "A is a Scam, Actually" talk did the rounds last summer too, and people went on to get their N from him.