Discussion Would you push a button if it killed you plus a random SaSu member?

[Emerita]

This hypothetical is similar to a different thread but
Would you press a button if doing so caused your own instant, painless death and the instant, painless death of a random SaSu member? You don't get to choose or know who. It could be anyone with an account. There would be no knowledge of the deaths being caused by the button. You both have no consciousness after, just dead, no afterlife.

Bonus question:
Would your answer change if it wasn't random if pressing the button meant you had to choose the SaSu member who dies with you?

So, do you press the button why or why not?

 

[L9my]

I don't think I could press the button, don't want to do that to people in recovery / have recovered.

My answer would definitely change if I could choose the SaSu member.
Though this is assuming i can talk to the person before I choose them, if not I might just choose someone who's already ctb'ed

 

[moonflow3r]

I don't know? It seems rather selfish if it means dragging someone along who might not want to ctb.

 

[gottacheckout]

Random? No, I couldn't be responsible for the death of not wanting or deserving it.

I get to pick? I'm still new enough here that I haven't got to know very many people. That would increase the difficulty. I think I could come up with a few that really do want to ctb.

 

[nobody_oac]

One random SaSu member...can't do it. Not my choice and I'd hate for it to be someone who is in recovery. Now if it was just me, I'd probably break it from pressing it too hard and be SOL too.

 

[vanillamilkshakes]

Actually an interesting question.. but I'd have to go with No. With my luck, I'd end up taking someone that is actually in recovery/getting better with me.

 

[LostLily]

No, because that member might now want to go yet or is focus on recovery.

 

[Rynalia]

Random, no.

Because I would also accidentally take someone recovering and that's doing them mad dirty.

If it were a choice though? Probably.

I'd even probably even offer myself as the second person for people who couldn't decide on a person if they were looking to press the button themselves ASAP.

 

[Permanoir]

I notice many people mention those in recovery, as if that's the only valid exception, but I wouldn't press the button to kill a random person, even if they're a member of a suicide discussion forum.

I know my view might go against the majority, but I would still say no to the second scenario, where I have to choose who dies with me. It's not my place to decide whether someone else should die. In both cases, it would be unethical and, ultimately, murder. I would rather hand the button over to that person, allowing them to decide their own fate instead.

 

[Squiggles3]

Yes. People die every day in preventable ways and everyone is perfectly fine with that as long as they don't have to do anything about it. Why would this be any differenrt? Because pushing a button makes you have to think about the consequences of whatever choice you choose? Because you have to put in work to do it? Many people directly contribute to why people die either because of cruelty, stupidity or laziness and we defend their rights to do that all the time. The only person who would look out for me is me.

 

[darksouls]

no because not every sasu member wants to die

 

[cemeteryismyhome]

I would not push the button, even if the other sasu member specifically requested to be included. That is a very interesting question, however; it's deeper and more complex than it seems at first.

 

[Namelesa]

Yea I wouldn't press the random button at all cus this includes any user on here so killing someone that has recovered or is able to, might increase suffering as the people that would know them would lose this person that was okay with living.

Would totally press the button where I can choose the other user as then I can help myself and another person wanting to die so both our sufferings would end.

 

[VoidButterfly]

I'm not sure I'd press it either way. Have no problem taking myself out, but I'd struggle with the ethics of knowing I was responsible for someone else even if they outwardly said they wanted it.

 

[ImsooDone1N]

No, I couldn't do that to a random person, or probably anyone else. I wish I could have a life I enjoyed and didn't feel like I need to die. Each day brings something new, but it even on my best days I would still be happy to die in my sleep. However I could not be responsible for another persons death. I try to help others, even when I probably have nothing to offer, I still would rather help someone get better than die.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Definitely not randomly. They may still be on the fence about it. They may be holding on for certain reasons.

A named person is still tricky though. How do I absolutely know where they are at in life, even if they insist they want to leave? I'm not qualified to assess mental capacity. I imagine even a smart minor could pull the wool over our eyes. I just think suicide is such a massive decision and, that it needs to be made and actioned by the person doing it.

Assisted suicide is different. There must be strict protocols that need to be adhered to. But, I simply can't fully assess a stranger on the internet. It doesn't really matter that I'd be dead so, wouldn't experience any aftermath either. It just doesn't sit well with me.

It's the same sort of question as- would you provide suicide aides to someone? No. Even though that's hypocritical because, I want to buy them! I don't want the responsibility of helping a person to die though, where I couldn't be sure of their situation.

Of course, if it was someone I knew personally, knew all about their life and their options, could witness the pain they were in and how much they wanted relief then- yes, I'd do it then.

 

[bankai]

No I don't think so. if I could pm them first and ask their permission I would be fine with it but since I wouldn't know who they were..

 

[Carrot]

Yes, and it seems to be an unpopular answer.

I am a helpful and empathetic person, I try to understand ohers and enjoy sharing my experience and advice to my best extent. If possible, I'd never work in a company that exploits anybody, that uses psychology and deception to earn as much money as possible. While I'm not perfect, I am very proud and satisfied with many of my values.
But if I received a presumably peaceful and instant death, sorry, one of you guys has to go.
I value my peaceful death pretty high. So what if a random person will also get a peaceful and instant death, is that a drawback? It's likely that they would be fine with dying in such way as well.


If I could/had to pick, even more obvious yes.
I'd like to know the person a little first. I know that plenty of people want to die for various reasons, I talked with a few people who I'd gladly gift a peaceful death.

 

[Actovania]

No that's murder.