Venting or talking online about suicide outside of this forum is absolutely pointless

[Siamese Believe]

I swear most suicide posts, especially on Reddit either get ignored or filled with gaslighting comments. And then of course removed by mods.

I also think a lot of people try to scare you out of it doing it by telling you horrific survivor stories or saying the method isn't quick.

I definitely don't think that's the intention of all of them because it's true that lot of methods can truly go terribly wrong. But I feel like this has to sometimes be a tactic to stop people from ctb. And a lot of methods fail because people hesitate or didn't do enough research before acting.

You mean to tell me a stab to the left ventricle of the heart won't result in rapid unconsciousness? I was told some weeks ago it would be slow, which can't be right but regardless there's no way I'm gonna let that happen.

Even if I have to stab myself multiple times to get to unconsciousness. If this is the only card in my arsenal that can truly ensure death, then I'll make it work.

Once the first stab happens, might as well keep going. At that point no one can save you so death is coming, fast or not.

 

[auto138491]

Also in real life. You talk about wanting to go and its like.. radio silence!

 

[sevencolorfulmoths]

Also in real life. You talk about wanting to go and its like.. radio silence!

mhm. the responses i got when trying to talk about w my family weren't helpful at all

 

[Tarantula]

I know you're specifically talking about reddit but this applies to family members, real life friends, and online friends too honestly. The responses that I get when I talk about suicidal ideation outside of this forum are always so unhelpful and honestly that makes me want to ctb even more. People always either say 1. Suicide is a sin and I'll go to hell if I die because it is so "evil" and "selfish" 2. They would be sad if I died or they'll say something about my loved ones being sad if I die 3. I'm "strong" and "need to keep going" (which is invalidating because I am losing this battle BECAUSE i am weak. Why do people feel the need to act like being weak is some sort of moral failing and that suffering inherently makes you strong?)

There's also the fact that you can't even talk to mental health professionals about suicidal ideation either because alot of them will try to send you to the psych ward. The mental health system fails people like us and most people don't know how to help

 

[Gangrel]

Ive noticed people outside of this community are extremely afraid or extremely ignorant when it comes to suicide, it's truly a mind boggling concept to some people that you might wanna die

 

[endoftheroad45]

Ive spoken about it irl and recieved abuse for it. Ive spoken about it on other platforms and either been ignored or told to toughen up. Neither of those are helpful. At least here its heard and understood

 

[slowlydying2mrrw]

I swear most suicide posts, especially on Reddit either get ignored or filled with gaslighting comments. And then of course removed by mods.

I also think a lot of people try to scare you out of it doing it by telling you horrific survivor stories or saying the method isn't quick.

I definitely don't think that's the intention of all of them because it's true that lot of methods can truly go terribly wrong. But I feel like this has to sometimes be a tactic to stop people from ctb. And a lot of methods fail because people hesitate or didn't do enough research before acting.

You mean to tell me a stab to the left ventricle of the heart won't result in rapid unconsciousness? I was told some weeks ago it would be slow, which can't be right but regardless there's no way I'm gonna let that happen.

Even if I have to stab myself multiple times to get to unconsciousness. If this is the only card in my arsenal that can truly ensure death, then I'll make it work.

Once the first stab happens, might as well keep going. At that point no one can save you so death is coming, fast or not.

No, it won't. Most of the time, the brain overrides stabbing oneself for preservation. Let's say you did stab yourself in the left ventricle, pulled it out, you wouldn't lose consciousness right away.

Samurai warriors who performed Hari Kari, had to fall into the blade, in order to get deep enough to slice there intenstines. It still wasn't an instant death with no suffering.

 

[skipping_stones]

It so is, that it's almost tragic.
Whenever I personally tried to speak about me struggling with suicidal thoughts or even attempting - my family berated me, my friends never took me seriously, my psychiatrist completely ignored it, stating "it is understood that you've never seen the point in living, but we will not talk about it". Which made it very clear that my best bet is online - and when i tried to post on reddit I was completely ignored. I also tried to reach out on this forum-website wellness thing in my teens (don't rememeber what it's called) and ended up feeling patronized, because no one took a child's words seriosuly.
I hate it that either the stigma is so big that you're treated like a plague, or whenever you try to reach out no one takes it seriously.
It was so relieving to find out this website exists. It bugs me so much that people who've never faced depression and SI just demonize it. It wouldn't have to exist if people had an actual space to talk about their struggles without the fear of being looked down for it

 

[birthdayboy]

People really don't understand it and say what they're "supposed to" say, and it *is* very unhelpful.

Ironically, I feel less like ctb here because at least I can talk fairly openly and honestly without someone telling me I "have my whole life ahead of me" or some other nonsense.

Crisis lines are the worst. Talking to the most bored sounding person in the world who might call the cops? I think I'm still paying for my last trip to the psych ward, which was worse than county jail.

 

[fadedghost]

A lot of messaging about what is appropriate to say gets told to the public from TV.

Yes, sometimes FoxNews and CNN disagree, but there is overall messaging that all major platforms and laws and TV shows say, on repeat, and I believe in large part it's because that messaging protects the wealth of the elite.

1. Violence is always wrong. (This protects the wealth of the elite, because if the government has a monopoly on violence, no one can take it from them. That is, to a large extent, why platforms like Facebook, Reddit, etc, FREAKED THE FUCK OUT when people were happy Luigi killed the executive who had been using AI to deny senior citizens their cancer treatments, It was "they can't be allowed to joke about this! This is never okay! Violence is always wrong!" despite the fact that the government still puts people to death, and many crimes that carry the death penalty happen indirectly as a result of exposure to poverty.

2. Suicide is always bad. (The religious myths that people go to heaven later, and so it's alright if your life is hell now and you work all day, sleep, do chores, have time for little else, and live paycheck to paycheck. Saying suicide is always bad protects that narrative.) The media makes it clear what people are supposed to do if someone mentions suicide: discourage them and then have them call 988 so they can be put on Prozac and locked up, which will cure them of the problems that lead to feeling suicidal.

This messaging is consistent, on every channel, every platform, every news article.

3. Voting is good. (This protects the narrative that people vote for their interests, can't be tricked by the wealthy class into electing idiots who will fuck them over, and that their individual vote matters, when an individual single vote has never changed the outcome in any election ever.)

4. You should use either an Android Phone or an iPhone, This isn't specifically said, but it's implied because shows, platforms, etc all mention only these two devices, develop special apps for these two phones, and many platforms will potentially lock your account if you aren't linked to an Android phone or an iPhone or will be more aggressive (like requiring ID). This is because iPhones and Andoids have sophisticated geotracking in them, anyone who has one is taking a GPS beacon with them at all times, and they can be easily hacked by the government, and it is nearly impossible for a person to obscure their identity while using one. (This protects the elite by giving the serfs bread and circus distractions with these devices, while tracking them and the people they interact with, distracting the masses on how the elite is attempting to implement neo-feudalism and making it so that the elite understand who is talking with whom.)

I feel like the masses are becoming more and more conformist, mostly mirroring various talking points on TV, all of which are supplied to them. You can be person type X, person type Y, or person type Z, they say, but all of you must believe 1 2 3 4.

The fact that people believe religion when it's obvious bullshit or are comfortable with how fucked up the world is right now and aren't rioting every day is mind-fucking-unbelievable to me.

So although I feel like the masses all think the exact same thing about suicide in this dumb hive-mind way, I feel like they also think the exact same thing about lots of other shit.

 

[birthdayboy]

A lot of messaging about what is appropriate to say gets told to the public from TV.

Yes, sometimes FoxNews and CNN disagree, but there is overall messaging that all major platforms and laws and TV shows say, on repeat, and I believe in large part it's because that messaging protects the wealth of the elite.

1. Violence is always wrong. (This protects the wealth of the elite, because if the government has a monopoly on violence, no one can take it from them. That is, to a large extent, why platforms like Facebook, Reddit, etc, FREAKED THE FUCK OUT when people were happy Luigi killed the executive who had been using AI to deny senior citizens their cancer treatments, It was "they can't be allowed to joke about this! This is never okay! Violence is always wrong!" despite the fact that the government still puts people to death, and many crimes that carry the death penalty happen indirectly as a result of exposure to poverty.

2. Suicide is always bad. (The religious myths that people go to heaven later, and so it's alright if your life is hell now and you work all day, sleep, do chores, have time for little else, and live paycheck to paycheck. Saying suicide is always bad protects that narrative.) The media makes it clear what people are supposed to do if someone mentions suicide: discourage them and then have them call 988 so they can be put on Prozac and locked up, which will cure them of the problems that lead to feeling suicidal.

This messaging is consistent, on every channel, every platform, every news article.

3. Voting is good. (This protects the narrative that people vote for their interests, can't be tricked by the wealthy class into electing idiots who will fuck them over, and that their individual vote matters, when an individual single vote has never changed the outcome in any election ever.)

4. You should use either an Android Phone or an iPhone, This isn't specifically said, but it's implied because shows, platforms, etc all mention only these two devices, develop special apps for these two phones, and many platforms will potentially lock your account if you aren't linked to an Android phone or an iPhone or will be more aggressive (like requiring ID). This is because iPhones and Andoids have sophisticated geotracking in them, anyone who has one is taking a GPS beacon with them at all times, and they can be easily hacked by the government, and it is nearly impossible for a person to obscure their identity while using one. (This protects the elite by giving the serfs bread and circus distractions with these devices, while tracking them and the people they interact with, distracting the masses on how the elite is attempting to implement neo-feudalism and making it so that the elite understand who is talking with whom.)

I feel like the masses are becoming more and more conformist, mostly mirroring various talking points on TV, all of which are supplied to them. You can be person type X, person type Y, or person type Z, they say, but all of you must believe 1 2 3 4.

The fact that people believe religion when it's obvious bullshit or are comfortable with how fucked up the world is right now and aren't rioting every day is mind-fucking-unbelievable to me.

So although I feel like the masses all think the exact same thing about suicide in this dumb hive-mind way, I feel like they also think the exact same thing about lots of other shit.

I just want to say I think you've absolutely nailed it in every point here.

Another example: I used to work in a nursing home in the US, and it was glaringly obvious at that point that the only interest the system has in extending people's lives is insofar as there's profit to be made.

Even when the system is "assisting" us, it's only because someone at the top is living large on the back of such programs.

And yes, religion has people all sorts of fucked up about many, many things, including this.

 

[Happy Cat]

You go on Twitter or Instagram and they encourage you to die. Really says what kind of platform it is