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OnlyBuilt4Linxs

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Apr 16, 2020
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It's been said that the universe will die one day; this has me thinking, what if the universe is just reborn and all the events that took place happen again? That's legit a fucking painful thought to think about and it has me depressed and sort of going crazy. When I die I just want to be done for good. I do not want to live this life again and again for eternity. That kind of after life situation is only good for people with good lives, not us.

This idea basically has me scared to kill myself and has me wanting to enjoy my life, actually. Because if I kill myself and live the same life again full of suffering, that just makes me want to fix my life to have a happy ending. But my depression has made me have a bleak outlook on life where I feel there is no escape.
 
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toomuchtimetodie

"to be overly conscious is a sickness"
Mar 13, 2020
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I e felt the same for well over a decade mate and you know what comforts I've found? Jack shit.
You have to let go of it, can't prove anything ever
 
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PrettyMoose

Eat my arse, Pain&Sh*tness & Mindf*ckitation Grift
Mar 1, 2020
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You can't even be sure that you would have a happy ending if you were to somehow cure your depression. Any number of events could happen to totally screw you over. Most people face an excruciating drawn out death at the end anyway. Only a lucky few die painlessly.

I too hope that we aren't forced to endure the same shit over and over, I hope the end truly is the end.
 
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Apr 14, 2023
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It's been said that the universe will die one day; this has me thinking, what if the universe is just reborn and all the events that took place happen again? That's legit a fucking painful thought to think about and it has me depressed and sort of going crazy. When I die I just want to be done for good. I do not want to live this life again and again for eternity. That kind of after life situation is only good for people with good lives, not us.

This idea basically has me scared to kill myself and has me wanting to enjoy my life, actually. Because if I kill myself and live the same life again full of suffering, that just makes me want to fix my life to have a happy ending. But my depression has made me have a bleak outlook on life where I feel there is no escape.
I do believe that suffering is constant whether you are dead or alive. There's gotta be beauty in being able to start it all over again. I would rather take beauty and suffering over a complete exinguishment of everything. Thats what really scares me
 
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epic

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Aug 9, 2019
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1. Hmm .. If free will exists you will get different outcomes at each cycle and most likely you will never be born in most cycles. That sperm meeting that particular egg is an extremely rare event. In the cycles where you are born you will most likely get a different environment or a chance to change things around.

2. If the universe is entirely deterministic than your concern kicks in . In this case, I would say don't stress too much because what's going to happen is not in your hands anyways. My advice is ironic , it assumes you have free will to "not stress" but I can't help but give it to you .

The reality is no one knows whats going to happen , a lot of scientists believe the universe is going to get "frozen" never to come back . There are so many possible theories and it doesn't make sense to keep stressing out which one is true when there are more immediate pressing issues in your life.
 
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ThisIsLife

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Feb 3, 2023
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1. Hmm .. If free will exists you will get different outcomes at each cycle and most likely you will never be born in most cycles. That sperm meeting that particular egg is an extremely rare event. In the cycles where you are born you will most likely get a different environment or a chance to change things around.

If by "cycles" you mean dimensions, or realities, i doubt, no matter how many dimensions exist (could be 3, 5, 11 or an infinity of them) that there would be any in which we weren't ever born. The fact you were born from a particular sperm that met that particular egg doesn't mean you couldn't have been born from the sperm and egg of different persons and/or in another time frame, unless you considered yourself as matter without consciousness.

As counter-intuitive as it sounds, there is a point in our reality where common laws of physics don't matter anymore and where randomness rules everything: quantum mechanics will remind you that objects, such as particles, no longer have defined properties: they don't have a defined position or a defined speed, they can be in a superposition of different states: the "spin" (of the electron) has only two values, + or - (and of course the superposition of both). When intricated, once the spin of one electron has been measured, that of the other is necessarily determined. The same thing happens with photons and their polarisation.

As matter and light make our reality what we at least think it is, reality is nonetheless a matter of perception, and perception nothing but a byproduct of being alive for enough time. But it doesn't define in any way where our consciousness come from or when it seeded.
We consider ourselves as being born with consciousness, but memory seem to fail us all remembering our first years. We all start to "experience" reality only until years after we were born. Remembering doesn't make consciousness, experience does.

Babies can cry, yell, feel cold or hot, hunger, thirst, noises, smell, vibrations, pain, love... We could say that they perceive the reality they're into, that they are conscious. Yet having no memories of it, it later in life constitutes their personality, who they are, hence how they will act.
A lot happened from the moment of your birth to the moment you start remembering things, and there is no other way than asking your parents and trust them, or dig into old pictures. The perfect scenario for a simulation, some would say (joking).

We'll never know, given the randomness that occurs in quantum mechanics that rule the universe and the duality that exist in the superposition of two states, if we, as a consciousness in a human body, are "wired" to reality by life or death. But ironically we can't "know" that until we're dead, and i tend to think because of that, that where we go when we'll die is where we come from. It wouldn't make any sense that the universe is reborn and all the events that took place happen again because it would mean that space and time exist in the afterlife.
 
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FuneralCry

Just wanting some peace
Sep 24, 2020
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I personally just believe that we cease existing after we leave this world with this existence finally forgotten about, to me any of those other theories are just fictional so I don't fear them. And anyway nobody should fear death as we are destined for nowhere but there.
 
epic

epic

Enlightened
Aug 9, 2019
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If by "cycles" you mean dimensions, or realities, i doubt, no matter how many dimensions exist (could be 3, 5, 11 or an infinity of them)

By cycles I meant the universe collapsing and then expanding , then collapsing and expanding and so on .
As counter-intuitive as it sounds, there is a point in our reality where common laws of physics don't matter anymore and where randomness rules everything: quantum mechanics will remind you that objects, such as particles, no longer have defined properties: they don't have a defined position or a defined speed, they can be in a superposition of different states: the "spin" (of the electron) has only two values, + or - (and of course the superposition of both). When intricated, once the spin of one electron has been measured, that of the other is necessarily determined. The same thing happens with photons and their polarisation.
Interesting . For so long we thought the universe was deterministic , now quantum mechanics is putting holes in that theory by introducing probability regarding position of matter instead of surety.

The fact you were born from a particular sperm that met that particular egg doesn't mean you couldn't have been born from the sperm and egg of different persons
How so ?
We'll never know, given the randomness that occurs in quantum mechanics that rule the universe and the duality that exist in the superposition of two states, if we, as a consciousness in a human body, are "wired" to reality by life or death. But ironically we can't "know" that until we're dead, and i tend to think because of that, that where we go when we'll die is where we come from.
I lost you here.
It wouldn't make any sense that the universe is reborn and all the events that took place happen again because it would mean that space and time exist in the afterlife.
Why wouldn't it make sense ?
 
headcase95

headcase95

abject failure
Apr 17, 2023
70
Don't worry there is no God or afterlife. If reincarnation were real you'd remember your past lives. You're just going to return to nothingness like before you were born.
 
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