The System Doesn't Care About You

[DeathWish3301]

Random but relevant thought I'd like to share.

Back when I was in therapy a few years ago, I actually got along well with my therapist. He was pretty down to earth, and I could tell by his actions that he did genuinely want to help me.

I had just gotten out of the hospital for a suicide attempt. He called me to follow up.

I asked him: "Why am I now allowed to kill myself? Why do I not have my right to bodily autonomy?"

He responded, "Do you want the honest answer?" I told him that I did.

He said "I think the answer is capitalism."

This was a mental health professional telling the truth. And it speaks volumes.

Dead people don't produce for the economy. The dead don't pay taxes, they don't put money back into the economy.

"The reason it's a crime to kill yourself is because it's illegal to destroy government property."

Just a reminder that the government, whichever country you're in, doesn't actually care about you.

 

[Lostmyonlyson]

Random but relevant thought I'd like to share.

Back when I was in therapy a few years ago, I actually got along well with my therapist. He was pretty down to earth, and I could tell by his actions that he did genuinely want to help me.

I had just gotten out of the hospital for a suicide attempt. He called me to follow up.

I asked him: "Why am I now allowed to kill myself? Why do I not have my right to bodily autonomy?"

He responded, "Do you want the honest answer?" I told him that I did.

He said "I think the answer is capitalism."

This was a mental health professional telling the truth. And it speaks volumes.

Dead people don't produce for the economy. The dead don't pay taxes, they don't put money back into the economy.

"The reason it's a crime to kill yourself is because it's illegal to destroy government property."

Just a reminder that the government, whichever country you're in, doesn't actually care about you.

Hmmm... That would explain why socialism and communism killed so many people. It was an act of mercy so that they wouldn't kill themselves.

 

[DeathWish3301]

Hmmm... That would explain why socialism and communism killed so many people. It was an act of mercy so that they wouldn't kill themselves.

I disagree with you. Socialist/communist governments did not care about their citizens just as much. Systems of power, regardless of their methods, only seek to maintain their own power.

 

[Lostmyonlyson]

I disagree with you. Socialist/communist governments did not care about their citizens just as much. Systems of power, regardless of their methods, only seek to maintain their own power.

Hardly 'just as much', we as we are in this position should learn to value systems that value individual freedom and not collectivism.

 

[DeathWish3301]

Hardly 'just as much', we as we are in this position should learn to value systems that value individual freedom and not collectivism.

I think we agree on the concept of individual freedom, but not the way that is achieved.

 

[Lostmyonlyson]

I think we agree on the concept of individual freedom, but not the way that is achieved.

I live in a rural part of a third world country. Capitalism is very thin here, people live in a closed community, even who they hire for jobs pass through a 'collective' hive mind. Do you want to come here? Do you want to go to the woods and live by your own labor? Tell me about how the answer to mental health problems is 'capitalism'? Because I really can't grasp it, state sanctioned mandated health checks is not capitalism, government overreaching if you can live or die is not capitalism, so I'm on a loss here.

 

[DeathWish3301]

I live in a rural part of a third world country. Capitalism is very thin here, people live in a closed community, even who they hire for jobs pass through a 'collective' hive mind. Do you want to come here? Do you want to go to the woods and live by your own labor? Tell me about how the answer to mental health problems is 'capitalism'? Because I really can't grasp it, state sanctioned mandated health checks is not capitalism, government overreaching if you can live or die is not capitalism, so I'm on a loss here.

"Government overreaching if you can live or die is not capitalism". Which is why I said earlier in one of my previous responses, that the government, regardless of it's economic system, does not care about it's people.

 

[Lostmyonlyson]

"Government overreaching if you can live or die is not capitalism". Which is why I said earlier in one of my previous responses, that the government, regardless of it's economic system, does not care about it's people.

Well, I'm still at a loss then, and if you could please explain to me, if capitalism as your statement described is the main problem to our mental health problems, what would be the alternative?

 

[divinemistress36]

Finally an honest therapist. I made that mistake of believing the medical field wanted to help mentally ill folks. It was all a lie

 

[DeathWish3301]

Well, I'm still at a loss then, and if you could please explain to me, if capitalism as your statement described is the main problem to our mental health problems, what would be the alternative?

I never once said that capitalism is the main problem to mental health problems. I stated that capitalist systems engage in anti-suicide prevention is for their own preservation and not for care of the individual.

Finally an honest therapist. I made that mistake of believing the medical field wanted to help mentally ill folks. It was all a lie

I think the issue is nuanced and complicated. I think there are some people in the medical field that want to help people, or at least, think they're helping.

But, a lot of them don't want to admit that some people are too far gone, or just have shitty lives. It makes them uncomfortable with the reality of life.

 

[ma0]

This is what I realised after being angry at the UK and ofcom for attacking this forum. I asked "Why spend resources taking down this small community when you could be fixing the issues causing suicidal thoughts in the first place?" It was never about supporting suicidal people, it was about ensuring they remain illusioned under state approved "resources" so they could continue to build someone else's castles.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Hmmm... That would explain why socialism and communism killed so many people. It was an act of mercy so that they wouldn't kill themselves.

You do realize that a shit ton of people have died because of capitalism, right?

 

[amyuwu]

Random but relevant thought I'd like to share.

Back when I was in therapy a few years ago, I actually got along well with my therapist. He was pretty down to earth, and I could tell by his actions that he did genuinely want to help me.

I had just gotten out of the hospital for a suicide attempt. He called me to follow up.

I asked him: "Why am I now allowed to kill myself? Why do I not have my right to bodily autonomy?"

He responded, "Do you want the honest answer?" I told him that I did.

He said "I think the answer is capitalism."

This was a mental health professional telling the truth. And it speaks volumes.

Dead people don't produce for the economy. The dead don't pay taxes, they don't put money back into the economy.

"The reason it's a crime to kill yourself is because it's illegal to destroy government property."

Just a reminder that the government, whichever country you're in, doesn't actually care about

wwwhat do you mean by saying, "It's a crime to take your own life because it's considered destroying government property"? When someone takes their own life, they're not damaging any property. most people who kill themselves are low people in society, like the homeless, criminals or those struggling with addiction, and they don't receive the support/provide they need from the government or society. In my opinion it's actually cheaper for the government to provide medical assistance in suicide (MAID) than to invest in mental health treatment, which can be quite expensive I think, The government discourages suicide because, regardless of the circumstances, death is a tragic event no matter who you are.

 

[6138]

wwwhat do you mean by saying, "It's a crime to take your own life because it's considered destroying government property"? When someone takes their own life, they're not damaging any property. most people who kill themselves are low people in society, like the homeless, criminals or those struggling with addiction, and they don't receive the support/provide they need from the government or society. In my opinion it's actually cheaper for the government to provide medical assistance in suicide (MAID) than to invest in mental health treatment, which can be quite expensive I think, The government discourages suicide because, regardless of the circumstances, death is a tragic event no matter who you are.

I partially agree, partially disagree.

I agree that it could, in some cases, be cheaper for a government to allow assisted suicide, because people who are at the point of suicide usually aren't contributing to the economy, and in many cases are consuming more resources than they are putting in (Hospital visits, therapists, doctors, pills, etc). So I don't think that the reason suicide is not allowed (It's not actually illegal, by the way) is entirely due to capitalism.

However, it is also not because "death is a tragic event". Governments are perfectly happy with death as long as it suits them.

The issue is that if social attitudes changed to view suicide as an option, a LOT more people would be committing suicide. We do not live well as a society, our lives are incredibly toxic. Wake up, go to work, eat a meal and watch a trashy netflix show, the go to bed early so you can do it again. Our lives are dominated by toxicity, politics, hatred, and an ever-increasing spiral of decay.

If suicide was allowed, our society would collapse. Did you know that that is the reason why suicide was initially "criminalised"? In the medieval period, during the black death, etc, people believed that suicide was a positive thing, because it brought you "closer to god", so a whole bunch of peasants starting killing themselves. So many in fact that it was affecting the economy, and the available workforce, so the church decided that suicide was now a "sin" and anyone who died by suicide could not be buried in consecrated ground, their families would not get an inheritance, etc, and ever since then the church has viewed suicide as sinful. The "laws" (When they did exist, they don't anymore) were based on the churchs teachings in many countries.

THIS is the reason why suicide is not allowed. It is based on old religious attitudes, that in turn are based on a method of social control to prevent people from escaping from a fundamentally miserable existence.

The truth is... We're not the ones with the problem.

It's just a lot easier to convince suicidal people that there is something wrong with them than it is to fix the rest of society.

 

[amyuwu]

extremely true but saying that there's wrong with suicidal people is pretty inaccurate. Suicide is not classified as a disorder in the DSM-5; rather, it is often linked to other mental health conditions, such as mdd or bpd. in fact, many people who had killed themselves have never been diagnosed with any mental disorders in the first place. we often live comfortable lives, but that doesn't mean that fewer people will attempt suicide as a result. suicidal people are extremely depressed and do not provide anything in society sometimes; some people just wait for their pathetic existence or jump off a building. but sometimes I think governments care about suicidal people because of suicide awareness bullshit posters on bridges, walls and etc and sucide prevention is provided by the government, I think. the reason I say "death is a tragic event" is because it affects the individuals seeing people killing themselves in public; for example, if I were to jump off a building in a public city, onlookers would witness the event. first responders would have the difficult task of collecting my dead body and cleaning up the scene. in most countries, emergency medical technicians (EMTs) are provided by the government, which means the authorities would ultimately handle the whole situation. in some cases graphic deaths occur by hanging or jumping and the government may release public statements due to the nature of the incident. recently, there was a jumping attempt in cambodia where onlookers recorded her dead after she jumped off high rise building and there were pov videos of EMTs collecting her dead body off the ground because onlookers were recording everything.

 

[Pluto]