I'd given it a glance before, now read through it all don't see anything, posting specifically because the search automatically done when creating a post title gave nothing too. It'll be unbelievably painful yeah.
this book has a part about it, but I really hope you show yourself some mercy and consider other methods…
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Anything public can have so many complications that I would never consider it. I'll do it in privacy, to me expression is not about how or if others view it, it's about myself. Very thankful to the friend above you for the resource, according to it you can also use kerosene (either or) and I've always known it to be a much stronger and dangerous fuel, do you have reason to support gasoline regardless or is did you not consider kerosene
I'm sorry. I misunderstood the meaning.
I worked in the NHS and have experience of treating people in the ICU who had suffered extensive burns, usually accidental but one person it was a method of trying to CTB. They had doused themselves in petrol, taken alcohol and codeine painkillers and from the reports had been essentially a ball of flame for quite a while.
Would you mind if I ask a question?
It could have been fatal due to the fire reaching the lungs as that causes massive damage to the respiratory system and once that happens the body is denied oxygen and death ensues. I have come across people who fire breathe (which i can do myself) and you have to use the right liquid for the flames, i used BBQ lighting fuel as it doesn't burn very quickly. People who try to do fire breathing with petrol can die from it as the petrol turns to flame so quickly that it reaches into your mouth and then burns the lungs causing death in some cases.Would you mind if I ask a question?
The United States Air Force serviceman Aaron Bushnell attempted self-immolation for political reasons. His fire was extinguished in minutes. But he passed away. How do you think why it was fatal?
Self-immolation of Aaron Bushnell - Wikipedia
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The idea of doing it in a tub is a way which has worked. However, if your in an apartment block people will notice very quickly as smoke is something which people always investigate.
As someone who has been heavily considering self immolation for almost a year, please DO NOT do this in a building. Or anywhere that is highly likely to lead to any sort of spread of fire. Especially an apartment building where it is likely that other units may be occupied. Putting other people's lives in extreme danger like that is not okay. Any building, heavily populated area, or anywhere near flammable nature such as forests would be endangering so many people.
Thank you. It does not seem replicable. If there were some tricks to maximize the success rate, it might be helpful for some users...
Buildings here are concrete, only apartment on the same floor has a corridor in-between and two aluminium doors. I believe it pretty much physically impossible for a fire to spread, over here fire deaths during the summer are caused because of panic and almost exclusively in forests. I would nevertheless make as sure as possible that the flame doesn't even get outside the bathroom. It's really interesting how problems like a fire starting are so vastly different between countries and regions. It's like how some coastal towns are just chilling while other have to deal with tsunamis very often. I'm now wondering if CO poisoning plays any role, all other damage aside.
Even if the fire were to not spread at all, which even "fire-proof" buildings still can set on fire (the titanic was supposed to be unsinkable after all, nothing is fool proof), the smoke would spread through the vents and be able to kill or harm anyone else in the building, especially anyone above you.
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No vents or a story above, it's only got a small window connected to ventilation shaft that connects to the roof (less than 2 meters above the window), I was wondering about if I want to keep the window open or not though, open seems better for ventilation for the fire but will have calls done in less than 10-20 minutes probably, I assume without it smoke will fill the whole house? At that point after doing whatever they can (nothing with house door locked) it'll be up to firefighters and they should know their protocol right? Evacuate, open up carefully/with gas masks idk.
Smoke can and will spread throughout the building. Point blank period doing this in a building is putting others lives at extreme risk. CTB is an autonomous choice. Putting others in harms way to CTB is not.
I understand why you'd feel so strongly about other lives being put at risk but this really isn't the case, smoke does not pose "extreme risk", smoke is incredibly easy to spot and avoid, smoke doesn't go through airtight frames. Me riding on my motorbike or car to go buy the fuel needed, or people doing so everyday to get to work while feeling unwell pose a much more dangerous threat I'm sure
The amount of smoke that is emitted when you drive somewhere, especially in today's day and age where vehicles are designed to emit as little fumes as possible, is vastly different than the smoke that comes from a fire. Smoke is so dangerous, in fact, that it is more likely to be the cause of death in a burning than the flames and burns themselves. It's the inhalation of smoke that causes you to pass out after a few minutes, not the burning of your skin, and it's often smoke inhalation that kills initial survivors. That's why people are taken to the hospital after surviving a house fire even if they have no visible burns, because the smoke inhalation is that dangerous. It's part of why burn survivors are often intubated early on. It is incredibly, incredibly toxic. And I highly doubt that your apartment has completely air tight doors throughout the entire building. CO can travel even if you cannot visibly see it. That's why CO monitors are a thing, it is a silent, deadly killer. Yes, the smoke may be visible and you would likely smell it, but that's not an absolute. And some people may not recognize the danger or wake up in time to escape before it is too late. You are vastly underplaying the dangers of this and it could very well cost someone else their life.
I wasn't talking about smoke from cars I was talking about the chances of dying in an accident. People don't die off of smoke because a single room in a completely different almost airtight apartment leaked 2 molecules of toxic gases. Burning food on a stove of your own house would be hundreds of times more dangerous. Doing Barbecue as well. When I was a kid I'd help my granpa burn tree branches being like half a meter from a raging 3 meter tall fire. Many people around do this that time of the year, never heard of anyone having effects let alone dying because of it. Smoke kills people trapped in it. Smoke MIGHT be dangerous to people that might open a room pitch black with smoke and take a full inhalation of it. Probably if only because they might temporarily lose consciousness and the fall is very dangerous. Caution is very important but basing one's decision on the .0000001% of someone being hurt while that person has a 0.00001% chance of dying just for walking outside (various reasons including fights, crime, accidents, catching disease etc.) is highly unrealistic and unnecessary. I've put more people at risk for being bad at driving and I'm sure many others do so as well, you don't see authorities only allowing pros on the streets do you.
The naivety of this post is actually astounding. It is not a 0.0000001% chance. The difference with an outdoor bonfire is that it is outdoors, where the CO does not build up. Any inclosed area where carbon monoxide can build up (and no, your apartment doors are not airtight enough to prevent lethal amounts of gas from escaping, no housing complex is going to have true airtight seals in their doors, nor would an open window be enough to properly air out the quantity of smoke emitted from an entire burning body) is extremely dangerous. Believe all you want that this is an oh so safe thing to do, but you are actively endangering anyone else in your apartment complex by setting yourself on fire within the building. I'm happy to hear that you have not worked in healthcare or been a first responder or you would be more than aware of the danger you would be placing on that building.
The smoke emitted during a residential fire is extremely toxic because of all the synthetic materials that are used in furniture and such (this is also what causes flashover where everything, including people, bursts into flames). One breath of it will literally cause someone to immediately pass out.
Suicide is an act of self-expression. I like this attidude. For some it is the only one and for sure it is the last one, a final statement. Maybe this is one reason why some people record their suicide. If you think an extreme painful death fits to you, you should do it.
If you're in healthcare and you've seen similar cases to my scenario with people dying then I concede you're completely right. If not you're definitely over-exaggerating, or "death by a fire someplace else in a building which people are aware of and could very easily and quickly avoid" isn't really marketable and so never reached me. Also keep in mind I know the building like the palm of my hand while you're only going off of whatever image you can build in your mind with the info I've given. I don't think I'm naive when I can't find any death online due to food on a stove burning (all the harmful gas stays and fills the house) and therfore assuming that whatever gasses leak through two different doors with cracks of 0.5mm at most won't be enough to hurt a human being.
