Not sure on how to continue or to change method

[martinso67]

This is an update to my struggle on how to setup correctly the inert gas method.
Another new regulator and I have still a leak between the regulator and the gas bottle valve (that is connected with the regulator).
Not sure if I should give up and go for SN??? I am afraid of SN failing, because it would be done in a place (that's not a hotel or house/flat) where I am alone .

I got another suitable regulator for my Nitrogen gas bottle. But the company send me one that is for Argon/Co2. Regardless it fits the connection and I connected it securely by a wrench as well.
FAIL, there is still a leak, but the noise now is quieter. Tried again two times connecting the regulator. But the noise came back to the same level as with the first regulator. Seller of the product is also not a help, who said there is no leakage with their nitrogen gas bottle and everything is OK. But it seems that this is the problem.

In my test setup with the leak problem (between regulator and gas bottle connection valve). I could only put an anti leak tape on the connection between regulator and hose that goes to the hood. This regulator-hose part did not have really a leak and the whole setup is OK, except the gas bottle-regulator connection.
Regardless of this problem, I still reached below recommended 2% of oxygen after 6 minutes. This happened though after 5 minutes, when I stopped the gas flow (recommended 25 liters per minute). The value of 2% stayed for 20 minutes after gas flow was stopped, without the value increasing slowly.



From 21,5% O2 to 1.9% after about 6 minutes with gas leak problem.
Still undecided if the inert gas method is still reliable with this gas leak problem and this conditions I mentioned above. The noise is also not quiet and people could hear a sound that resembles a dangerous gas leak.
I wanted to go with this method. Did everything and worked my ass of to get everything transported and sorted out. I don't have a car or really own place where I live.
I want at least a nice ending to my life. Enough for god's sake with these limitations and suffering in my life. Especially with these limitations, I cannot live like that. I followed all the rules and required steps to set this up. Why does it fail? Why I am ignored :(

Is SN (with the fasting protocol and the recommended anti-emetics) more reliable than the inert gas hood method in my case??

 

[anonymous2025]

Just a suggestion. Try to use a good amount of plumbers tape around the connector. Also from what I've researched. It's highly unlikely to fail using SN, studies show the percentage rate should be less than 18% only because either they called out for help in time, or took too little SN. If going that route just follow protocol.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Turn off the gas, take the regulator off, and inspect the mating surfaces carefully for nicks, scratches, dirt, other contaminants, etc. If there are any scratches or nicks, lightly smooth them down with very fine 600 grit emery cloth. Wipe the surfaces clean with a non-lint rag or tack cloth. Now, mate the surfaces together again by hand and rotate (the regulator stem) back and forth while exerting moderate pressure inward against the surface in the valve. Then hand tighten the nut and finish tightening with an appropriate wrench. Don't be scared of putting a little muscle on the wrench. Turn the gas on and check for leaks again.

 

[martinso67]

Thank you for your messages.
My mind is not shutting down and I feel trapped in life. I CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
I am having trouble sleeping these last 4 days. I also feel weird mentally, I am too much daydreaming and can't function the whole day.

I wish I did not have the problem with the leak in the regulator gas bottle connection.
I could not continue though the hood would still save the deadly low oxygen environment for the required 20 minutes.
The PPEH book I follow does say the not proceed if there is a leak in the regulator gas bottle valve connetion.

I thought I could fix it but no. Now back at home and no more money for a short term apartment airbnb that I could use for CTB.
I have new CTB location, where there is also no people compared to appartment airbnb.

But I need also to have a full bottle. I did sent the regulator to the seller to fix. BUT again something not working as plan. The guy contacted about the regulator connection leakage problem is for a month on vacation. Will someone know about the regulator I sent them.

That again triggered my anxiety of failing to CTB. I don't want to be a vegetable. I cannot deal mentally and financially with a hospital stay or going to doctors because of the failure.

I am on my bed, but can't sleep still. I don't have a place here in my shared apartment to hang a rope to CTB. I also failed with partial. I want to CTB now and fast.
It's not possible. Why do I have to plan every thing and troubleshot. I want a quick and impulsive suicide method.

Why can't I be born in US and in a state with gun access. Gun suicide is easy and only one pull. I hate being here. I don't belong in life. I want to leave please.

Society is gaslighting me and does not care. My parents who are old and will die in the future. They do not really care about me. You see that when suicide is mentioned and they respond "I dont want to loose you. You are like a part of me"
Don't do suicide they say. OK AND THEN: can you lower my suffering and make me able to function like an adult and fullfil the majority of my needs???? NO QUESTION OR ANSWER FOR THIS.

I want to at least go back to my previous state and be back to being able to try again to plan the inert gas method.
How do people with real mental disease be able to kill themselfes.
Any trouble or problem with my mental health is blocking me to suicide.
For normal people mental health problem would push them to suicide and not distract them from the suicide like in my case.

 

[k1w1]

Much compassion for you. Agree with above poster regarding using teflon plumbing tape. Brass fittings are designed to knit, being a soft metal. My geuss....the bottle may have seen some use and the threads are slogged out but this is unlikely as Ive used pneumatic tools for much of my life. Did you use a good wrench to tighten it? Again, plumbers tape wrapped as many times as suits around the male fitting before coupling and tightening....it should feel a lot stiffer when hand threading. Contact me if you wish.

 

[martinso67]

Much compassion for you. Agree with above poster regarding using teflon plumbing tape. Brass fittings are designed to knit, being a soft metal. My geuss....the bottle may have seen some use and the threads are slogged out but this is unlikely as Ive used pneumatic tools for much of my life. Did you use a good wrench to tighten it? Again, plumbers tape wrapped as many times as suits around the male fitting before coupling and tightening....it should feel a lot stiffer when hand threading. Contact me if you wish.

Thank you all for your messages.
The nut that is tightened by the wrench does not reach the last tiny part of the gas bottle valve.
It seems to be this problem by the bottle. I will also use a cloth around this place to lower noise.

 

[k1w1]

Thank you all for your messages.
The nut that is tightened by the wrench does not reach the last tiny part of the gas bottle valve.
It seems to be this problem by the bottle. I will also use a cloth around this place to lower noise.
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I messaged you, but in case anyone else is following this thread, I would first check for any horizontal or up and down movement of the regulator once it is tightened. Next use a nitrile or rubber washer between the mating surfaces. Take the regulator to a hardware store and buy several of varying thickness, but all with the same O/D of the stub. The leak is here so I'm surprised the regulator did not supply one.

 

[martinso67]

I messaged you, but in case anyone else is following this thread, I would first check for any horizontal or up and down movement of the regulator once it is tightened. Next use a nitrile or rubber washer between the mating surfaces. Take the regulator to a hardware store and buy several of varying thickness, but all with the same O/D of the stub. The leak is here so I'm surprised the regulator did not supply one.

Thank you for your message.
This Monday, I got a new regulator.
Regarding the leak: I did tightly connect the regulator so it does not move. I also cleaned the gas bottle valve with a cloth and a kind of rubber washer.
The leak still did come.

But the problem is am afraid of not fullying the exact rules like in the peaceful pill handbook PPEH. Regardless of the leak, i reached the required below 2% oxygen. But a little bit slower after about 6 minutes.
Also I have a 10 liter amount of nitrogen, nearly 3 times the required gas bottle size.
And the 3M scott ELSA hood does hold the low oxygen value ( < 2%) for 15 minutes after gas flow stopped.

These facts show I do have the "perfect" setup. but my brain does not comprehend and is afraid because only one problem happened

 

[k1w1]

Hi Martinso. Tell me, does your hood have what is called an 'ori-nasal" inner mask: a soft rubber cone type thing which the air supply fits into the outside of? Also does it have a lung demand valve: it only works when you breathe? If these are the case, it may be why you have the air leak. I was doing some reading regards the Scott systems and these require a pressure reducer at the tank similar to Draeger masks etc. Scott hoods are quite sophisticated and of superior quality to the constant flow type, which is essentially a bag with an exhalation valve. Thus they can have as much air/gas put through them as wished for. It crossed my mind that if yours has an LDV, youll get pressure build up. Anyway, you can find out by connecting it all and turning it on and seeing if you have gas flow at the hood without it donned and you breathing. Just a thought. Best wishes and please send images of the connections at the hood, and of hood itself