My SN protocol and some tips

[dalemar]

Since I will have to wait till march/april to get some N (vet), I might have to ahead with the SN method, since I probably won't be able to wait that long.
So I am sharing my SN protocol.
2 cups of SN 25g sn/50ml water each.
8-12 hour food fasting.
2-3 hour of liquid fasting
1 hour before taking the SN I will take 600mg ibuprofen and 1 tramadol and 1x12mg bromazepam.
2-3 pills of propranolol.
45 minutes before the SN I will take 3x10mg meto.
Numbing spray.
Drink 1 cup of SN.
Drink a mix of 5x10mg diazepam+10x12mg bromazepam+1x4mg tizanidine, all crushed (i am surprised how little powder this has created) with very little water.
Chew a mint gum for like 30 seconds to reduce the salty taste of the sn in the mouth.
Lay back and wait for the best.

One thing that is key to prevent procrastination and panicking (something that i usually see in other's peoples threads), is that I already crushed the benzos, and I already separated the 50/2g of SN in 2 separate containers.
So I just need to execute the plan, not much thinking is needed, just plain execution, follow the steps.
I think it is solid.
I have already tested 1x10mg of meto, I felt a bit restless, but nothing crazy.
I will take 1 propranolol pill today, just to see how my body reacts to it.
I think testing "new" drugs in advance is also important, to prevent unwanted surprises on THE CTB day.
Suggestions are welcome.
PS. Please don't DM asking about the N/SN source.

 

[black money boys]

Numbing spray.

is this an oral spray to numb your mouth/throat from the harsh SN? if so, which spray is it going to be?

 

[dalemar]

is this an oral spray to numb your mouth/throat from the harsh SN? if so, which spray is it going to be?

one that is sold locally, it has lidocaine, it is used for throat pain.

 

[black money boys]

one that is sold locally, it has lidocaine, it is used for throat pain.

my pharmacy has that spray too, you think its actually effective? i'd buy it and use it if it is

 

[dalemar]

my pharmacy has that spray too, you think its actually effective? i'd buy it and use it if it is

I guess it could be helpful, yes.

 

[raybd]

Since I will have to wait till march/april to get some N (vet), I might have to ahead with the SN method, since I probably won't be able to wait that long.
So I am sharing my SN protocol.
2 cups of SN 25g sn/50ml water each.
8-12 hour food fasting.
2-3 hour of liquid fasting
1 hour before taking the SN I will take 600mg ibuprofen and 1 tramadol and 1x12mg bromazepam.
2-3 pills of propranolol.
45 minutes before the SN I will take 3x10mg meto.
Numbing spray.
Drink 1 cup of SN.
Drink a mix of 5x10mg diazepam+10x12mg bromazepam+1x4mg tizanidine, all crushed (i am surprised how little powder this has created) with very little water.
Chew a mint gum for like 30 seconds to reduce the salty taste of the sn in the mouth.
Lay back and wait for the best.

One thing that is key to prevent procrastination and panicking (something that i usually see in other's peoples threads), is that I already crushed the benzos, and I already separated the 50/2g of SN in 2 separate containers.
So I just need to execute the plan, not much thinking is needed, just plain execution, follow the steps.
I think it is solid.
I have already tested 1x10mg of meto, I felt a bit restless, but nothing crazy.
I will take 1 propranolol pill today, just to see how my body reacts to it.
I think testing "new" drugs in advance is also important, to prevent unwanted surprises on THE CTB day.
Suggestions are welcome.
PS. Please don't DM asking about the N/SN source.

Quite insightful. IMHO think a bit much on the pain and muscle pills - unless you know you need them due to specific health conditions. Gum or Ricola type lozenges are essential. People seem to miss that. Wholly agree with testing everything and laying everything out earlier. Most of the SN failures are due to not fasting or getting the protocol wrong due to panic on the day or not being precise enough. I am going barebones. The fasting, anti-emetic, Ibuprofen, SN, expired valium (couldn't help it), lozenges. Not easy assembling more for the kit given my rural "eco-retreat" type of location. One thing I have going is I don't gag or retch easily.

 

[dalemar]

Quite insightful. IMHO think a bit much on the pain and muscle pills - unless you know you need them due to specific health conditions. Gum or Ricola type lozenges are essential. People seem to miss that. Wholly agree with testing everything and laying everything out earlier. Most of the SN failures are due to not fasting or getting the protocol wrong due to panic on the day or not being precise enough. I am going barebones. The fasting, anti-emetic, Ibuprofen, SN, expired valium (couldn't help it), lozenges. Not easy assembling more for the kit given my rural "eco-retreat" type of location. One thing I have going is I don't gag or retch easily.

Expired valium works great, don't worry.
Regarding the high number of pain and muscle pills... well... I want to reduce pain and involuntary movements as much as possible, and I want to pass out quickly.
I wish you all the best!

 

[raybd]

Expired valium works great, don't worry.
Regarding the high number of pain and muscle pills... well... I want to reduce pain and involuntary movements as much as possible, and I want to pass out quickly.
I wish you all the best!

That's a funny thing you know. People usually think "Date of expiry" means something like a person expiring, alive one day, dead the next. For food and medicines, it is very subjective, based on the particular product, how it was made and how it was preserved. Like milk is no good past the date, but medicines... most of them have some power left for a long time. The valium I have is about 1 year past. But should be good for SN. Didn't bother to replace it.

 

[dalemar]

That's a funny thing you know. People usually think "Date of expiry" means something like a person expiring, alive one day, dead the next. For food and medicines, it is very subjective, based on the particular product, how it was made and how it was preserved. Like milk is no good past the date, but medicines... most of them have some power left for a long time. The valium I have is about 1 year past. But should be good for SN. Didn't bother to replace it.

1 year is nothing.
There was a research in which they tested 9 or 10 year expired ibuprofen, and it had like 90% of the original potency.

 

[Captive_Mind515]

Wouldn't anything you take after ingestion of the sn just come back up? (I'm assuming almost everyone pukes at least a bit)

 

[dalemar]

Wouldn't anything you take after ingestion of the sn just come back up? (I'm assuming almost everyone pukes at least a bit)

That's how the PPH explains the procedure.
The problem is that if you take crushed benzos before the SN, you might pass out without taking the SN, and increasing the chances of vomiting the SN, or reducing the absoption of the SN.
Being the SN the most improtant element, you gotta take it first I guess.

 

[black money boys]

I guess it could be helpful, yes.

how much are you going to apply and how long are you going to wait afterwards before drinking the SN? that thing numbs your mouth so it'd have to be timed perfectly where the taste doesnt affect you but you can still also swallow properly,

 

[dalemar]

how much are you going to apply and how long are you going to wait afterwards before drinking the SN? that thing numbs your mouth so it'd have to be timed perfectly where the taste doesnt affect you but you can still also swallow properly,

I just numbs your mouth, you can swallow without problem.
I think I will use it like 3-5 min before the SN.

 

[raybd]

1 year is nothing.
There was a research in which they tested 9 or 10 year expired ibuprofen, and it had like 90% of the original potency.

That's highly variable. It depends on the med and manufacturing process, how it was packaged etc. A 1-2 year past Ibuprofen from different makers will have lost different % of potency.

 

[dalemar]

Ok so I took 1 propranolol pill for testing purposes.
Baseline pulse while seating was 60.
The pulse dropped to 55 25 min later.
40 min later dropped to 52.
No strange feelings.

 

[raybd]

Ok so I took 1 propranolol pill for testing purposes.
Baseline pulse while seating was 60.
The pulse dropped to 55 25 min later.
40 min later dropped to 52.
No strange feelings.

Where in the world are you located, if you are ok sharing.

 

[hellogoodbye999]

Since I will have to wait till march/april to get some N (vet), I might have to ahead with the SN method, since I probably won't be able to wait that long.
So I am sharing my SN protocol.
2 cups of SN 25g sn/50ml water each.
8-12 hour food fasting.
2-3 hour of liquid fasting
1 hour before taking the SN I will take 600mg ibuprofen and 1 tramadol and 1x12mg bromazepam.
2-3 pills of propranolol.
45 minutes before the SN I will take 3x10mg meto.
Numbing spray.
Drink 1 cup of SN.
Drink a mix of 5x10mg diazepam+10x12mg bromazepam+1x4mg tizanidine, all crushed (i am surprised how little powder this has created) with very little water.
Chew a mint gum for like 30 seconds to reduce the salty taste of the sn in the mouth.
Lay back and wait for the best.

One thing that is key to prevent procrastination and panicking (something that i usually see in other's peoples threads), is that I already crushed the benzos, and I already separated the 50/2g of SN in 2 separate containers.
So I just need to execute the plan, not much thinking is needed, just plain execution, follow the steps.
I think it is solid.
I have already tested 1x10mg of meto, I felt a bit restless, but nothing crazy.
I will take 1 propranolol pill today, just to see how my body reacts to it.
I think testing "new" drugs in advance is also important, to prevent unwanted surprises on THE CTB day.
Suggestions are welcome.
PS. Please don't DM asking about the N/SN source.

How much did all this cost you?

 

[dalemar]

How much did all this cost you?

I would say 50-75 usd or so

Where in the world are you located, if you are ok sharing.

LATAM

 

[kufajoy]

Can you please tell more about the lidocaine numbing spray? How you gonna use it ? You gonna spray around the throat from outside?

 

[dalemar]

Can you please tell more about the lidocaine numbing spray? How you gonna use it ? You gonna spray around the throat from outside?

Yes to the throat, tongue and mouth

 

[dalemar]

Last update on the propranolol.
Everything went well with 1 pill, I guess I will use at least 3 with the protocol.

 

[blueskies3]

Last update on the propranolol.
Everything went well with 1 pill, I guess I will use at least 3 with the protocol.

Do you get worried about overdoing it will any of the pills? If you overdo the SN you will have a higher chance of vomiting everything. Could this happen if you overdo any of the other medications? Would the AE be enough?

 

[dalemar]

Do you get worried about overdoing it will any of the pills? If you overdo the SN you will have a higher chance of vomiting everything. Could this happen if you overdo any of the other medications? Would the AE be enough?

I have experience taking all the other pills i plan to use, and I never had issues.
I also don't remember the last time in my life I puked, I think it was 20 years ago or so.
And I will have an extra SN cup, so I think i will succeed.
I haver never suffered from anxiety, so I guess and I trust I will be fine.

 

[Eclypser]

Since I will have to wait till march/april to get some N (vet), I might have to ahead with the SN method, since I probably won't be able to wait that long.
So I am sharing my SN protocol.
2 cups of SN 25g sn/50ml water each.
8-12 hour food fasting.
2-3 hour of liquid fasting
1 hour before taking the SN I will take 600mg ibuprofen and 1 tramadol and 1x12mg bromazepam.
2-3 pills of propranolol.
45 minutes before the SN I will take 3x10mg meto.
Numbing spray.
Drink 1 cup of SN.
Drink a mix of 5x10mg diazepam+10x12mg bromazepam+1x4mg tizanidine, all crushed (i am surprised how little powder this has created) with very little water.
Chew a mint gum for like 30 seconds to reduce the salty taste of the sn in the mouth.
Lay back and wait for the best.

One thing that is key to prevent procrastination and panicking (something that i usually see in other's peoples threads), is that I already crushed the benzos, and I already separated the 50/2g of SN in 2 separate containers.
So I just need to execute the plan, not much thinking is needed, just plain execution, follow the steps.
I think it is solid.
I have already tested 1x10mg of meto, I felt a bit restless, but nothing crazy.
I will take 1 propranolol pill today, just to see how my body reacts to it.
I think testing "new" drugs in advance is also important, to prevent unwanted surprises on THE CTB day.
Suggestions are welcome.
PS. Please don't DM asking about the N/SN source.

This is the Way

 

[Eclypser]

So i also sharing my SN protocol:

First Day:
1 METO tablet every 8 hour (3 x 10 mg)

Second Day:
Start food fasting (10-12 h)

4 am
1 METO (1 tablet x 10 mg)
1 Nebivolol 5 mg
1 xanax 0,50 mg
1 Gabapentin 300 mg
Preparing BZD

11 am
1 xanax 0,50 mg
1 Gabapentin 300 mg

12 pm
start liquid fasting
Preparing
3 cups of >99% SN - 25g sn 50ml - 60ml water each

1 pm
2 x 300 mg ibuprofen
1 xanax 0,50 mg

2 pm
3x10mg meto
4 Nebivolol 5 mg

Lidocaine oral spray
Drink a mix of 20 mg alprazolam +2 mg brotizolam + (not yet sure due interactions)40 mg trazodone, all crushed using a coffe grinder and mixed with very little water

within about 10 minutes

Around 3 pm

Drinking 1 cup of SN without hesitation, or using a straw

Lay back and wait for the best
Thank you Dalemar

 

[dalemar]

So i also sharing my SN protocol:

First Day:
1 METO tablet every 8 hour (3 x 10 mg)

Second Day:
Start food fasting (10-12 h)

4 am
1 METO (1 tablet x 10 mg)
1 Nebivolol 5 mg
1 xanax 0,50 mg
1 Gabapentin 300 mg
Preparing BZD

11 am
1 xanax 0,50 mg
1 Gabapentin 300 mg

12 pm
start liquid fasting
Preparing
3 cups of >99% SN - 25g sn 50ml - 60ml water each

1 pm
2 x 300 mg ibuprofen
1 xanax 0,50 mg

2 pm
3x10mg meto
4 Nebivolol 5 mg

Lidocaine oral spray
Drink a mix of 20 mg alprazolam +2 mg brotizolam + (not yet sure due interactions)40 mg trazodone, all crushed using a coffe grinder and mixed with very little water

within about 10 minutes

Around 3 pm

Drinking 1 cup of SN without hesitation, or using a straw

Lay back and wait for the best
Thank you Dalemar

It looks very solid to me. I don't know if I would be able to do the 2 day protocol, but that's me lol.
I just wonder if the gabapentin won't make you very tired of dizzy? I assume you already know how your body reacts to it.
In my opinion the SN has to be taken like an alcoholic drink shot, real quick at once, as you said, no hesitation.
I feel that with the straw you run the risk of tasting it before is already all in, but i dont know.

 

[Eclypser]

It looks very solid to me. I don't know if I would be able to do the 2 day protocol, but that's me lol.
I just wonder if the gabapentin won't make you very tired of dizzy? I assume you already know how your body reacts to it.
In my opinion the SN has to be taken like an alcoholic drink shot, real quick at once, as you said, no hesitation.
I feel that with the straw you run the risk of tasting it before is already all in, but i dont know.

You hit the nail on the head here too, . I'm thinking about the 2-day period now; probably, as you say, the best thing to do is test just 1 AE first to check for possible side effects (I've never taken it). I take Gabapentin every day, 3 x 300 mg. I included it in the protocol to avoid unpleasant withdrawal symptoms. "Everyone knows how their body reacts" is a crucial consideration for managing the procedure in the best way. Shot or straw? The shot could be impactful. Perhaps the straw allows you to avoid the taste buds, and thanks to the lidocaine, you should get to the end without the "dentist effect," which causes gagging. But I could be wrong. A test with table salt might help

 

[dalemar]

You hit the nail on the head here too, . I'm thinking about the 2-day period now; probably, as you say, the best thing to do is test just 1 AE first to check for possible side effects (I've never taken it). I take Gabapentin every day, 3 x 300 mg. I included it in the protocol to avoid unpleasant withdrawal symptoms. "Everyone knows how their body reacts" is a crucial consideration for managing the procedure in the best way. Shot or straw? The shot could be impactful. Perhaps the straw allows you to avoid the taste buds, and thanks to the lidocaine, you should get to the end without the "dentist effect," which causes gagging. But I could be wrong. A test with table salt might help

Exactly, every drug has to be tested in advance in my opinion.
Imagine that I don't know, you never took propranolol, and you plan to use it, and on the CTB day you take if for the first time, and causes a horrible reaction.... not good.
In my case I have already tested all of them, so I know I won't have any issue related to them, MAYBE a bit of restless sensation from the meto, but nothing crazy, and something that probably the benzos or muscle relaxers can counter act.
About testing with salty water... I don't know.
In my opinion I have been on salty water beaches, and I have drank (without wanting it) due to big waves a lot of salty beach water, which is super salty, with a lot of sand hahaha, and despite it was not pleasant, it is ok. And I am sure I took more than 50ml, so i am not worried at all by the salty taste of sn, plus, chewing a nice mint gum for 30 seconds afterwards I know it will help, plus the numbning spray.
I really think our protocols are very solid.
And having everything prepared in advance (the benzos crushed and stored, the SN in 2 separate containers with the right quantity already, etc) makes the process very simple to follow, reduces anxiety and prevents too much thinking, fostering in the end a more peaceful or less stressful passing.
Thinking again about the straw... if you do it real quick, 50ml is nothing, 2-3 sips and you are done, so I would say all good here as well.

 

[Eclypser]

Exactly, every drug has to be tested in advance in my opinion.
Imagine that I don't know, you never took propranolol, and you plan to use it, and on the CTB day you take if for the first time, and causes a horrible reaction.... not good.
In my case I have already tested all of them, so I know I won't have any issue related to them, MAYBE a bit of restless sensation from the meto, but nothing crazy, and something that probably the benzos or muscle relaxers can counter act.
About testing with salty water... I don't know.
In my opinion I have been on salty water beaches, and I have drank (without wanting it) due to big waves a lot of salty beach water, which is super salty, with a lot of sand hahaha, and despite it was not pleasant, it is ok. And I am sure I took more than 50ml, so i am not worried at all by the salty taste of sn, plus, chewing a nice mint gum for 30 seconds afterwards I know it will help, plus the numbning spray.
I really think our protocols are very solid.
And having everything prepared in advance (the benzos crushed and stored, the SN in 2 separate containers with the right quantity already, etc) makes the process very simple to follow, reduces anxiety and prevents too much thinking, fostering in the end a more peaceful or less stressful passing.
Thinking again about the straw... if you do it real quick, 50ml is nothing, 2-3 sips and you are done, so I would say all good here as well.

The fact that the protocols are similar gives me peace of mind. It's also great that we even thought about muscle relaxants! Your precision has helped me organize my thoughts. Now I have everything ready and I've even written a letter to my brother with instructions on the procedures to follow after my departure.
I've already packed my bags and decided what to wear, including what's needed to contain fluids and biological materials involuntarily released when I'm unconscious.
The only thing missing is planning the digital and other cleanup.
Burning notes, deleting things related to suppliers, eliminating traces of transactions. I'm afraid resetting the devices won't be enough. If someone were to break into my iCloud, there could be serious consequences. I'd never want SS to be thrown to the vultures. I don't like the idea of "who cares, I'm gone." The way I see it, the downside of CTBing via SN is the intervention of law enforcement, investigations, and autopsy.
In any case, everything will be fine. Many have achieved their goal with just SN, a spoon, and bottles of water. By the way, I'll be using graduated containers with screw caps for perfect dilution shaking. Chewing gum is also a great idea; I was thinking of toothpaste or mouthwash.
Daje! (Roman Slang) Come on! (International)

 

[dalemar]

what's needed to contain fluids and biological materials involuntarily released when I'm unconscious.
The only thing missing is planning the digital and other cleanup.
Burning notes, deleting things related to suppliers, eliminating traces of transactions. I'm afraid resetting the devices won't be enough. If someone were to break into my iCloud, there could be serious consequences. I'd never want SS to be thrown to the vultures. I don't like the idea of "who cares, I'm gone." The way I see it, the downside of CTBing via SN is the intervention of law enforcement, investigations, and autopsy.

Will you be wearing diapers?
I am not too worried about my things after I CTB, I won't be deleting anything.
Of course I will be leaving no trace to SS.
I have wrote my letter already.
Good luck, I think with our protocols, we can't fail.