Help My parents agreed for me to do the assisted suicide program in Europe. Does anyone know how to do the process?

[SadbleaTablea]

I am determined to kill myself. I told my parents I will do it. If not now and they put me in a psych ward, then I will kill myself when I get out. If I never go out of the ward, then I will just rot there until I die. I told them I am a bad person that I'm willing to cause all the pain and consequences to everyone I know. I think they realize how serious I am. So my parents seem to be letting me try the European programs.

So for anyone who applied, what organizations should I seek and how is the process? Thank you

 

[NearlyIrrelevantCake]

These organizations will only accept people with terminal, serious diseases/health problems. Not just someone who feels they're a "bad person", unfortunately.

 

[PI3.14]

How old are you? Cus age plays a role in these programs. If you're young, you will most likely not be accepted, especially if you didn't try treatment first.

Also, getting accepted on the grounds of mental suffering isn't easy.

Also, you'll probably need to have established a profile of having tried different treatments and them not working. Don't know if they accept reports from local doctors in your country.

They require family approve from what I've heard, but that alone isn't enough, so you can't just walk in and say your family are ok with it, and you don't want to be alive and proceed to be euthanized in few weeks. The process could take years even for people who live in those countries themselves but you will have to establish a profile of trying treatment for long enough time and it not working.

You also need multiple doctors signing and approving you for euthanasia, don't know if local doctors where you live are accepted.

You have your family approval, and I assume they have the money for it, but that alone isn't enough. I guess the most important item is an established record of trying treatment and it not working, but I could be wrong.

 

[SadbleaTablea]

These organizations will only accept people with terminal, serious diseases/health problems. Not just someone who feels they're a "bad person", unfortunately.

Thank you for the reply and informing me. I am wondering though what about the few cases such as Zoraya ter Beek where mental illness alone was enough for the approval of assisted suicide?

 

[39hatsune]

that doesn't make you a bad person, you're just tired

i hope you'll feel better

 

[SadbleaTablea]

How old are you? Cus age plays a role in these programs. If you're young, you will most likely not be accepted, especially if you didn't try treatment first.

Also, getting accepted on the grounds of mental suffering isn't easy.

Also, you'll probably need to have established a profile of having tried different treatments and them not working. Don't know if they accept reports from local doctors in your country.

They require family approve from what I've heard, but that alone isn't enough, so you can't just walk in and say your family are ok with it, and you don't want to be alive and proceed to be euthanized in few weeks. The process could take years even for people who live in those countries themselves but you will have to establish a profile of trying treatment for long enough time and it not working.

You also need multiple doctors signing and approving you for euthanasia, don't know if local doctors where you live are accepted.

You have your family approval, and I assume they have the money for it, but that alone isn't enough. I guess the most important item is an established record of trying treatment and it not working, but I could be wrong.

I am 28, but I have tried various treatments for nearly 15 years. I am in the US, but I am concerned that my therapists and psych will not aid in my process for assisted suicide, especially the legal repercussions. I do not know. I need to research more. I have not really done thorough research in the past regarding the program since I had still a tiny amount of drive to keep fighting. Now, I have none. But I have tried various treatments, and it seems nothing is working. So if my doctors are willing to give records for my assisted suicide, hopefully the records showing that I have not made a lot of progress for so many years gives a good case for me to be approved.

Also thank you for the information. I appreciate you taking the time to give a detailed reply.

that doesn't make you a bad person, you're just tired

i hope you'll feel better

Thank you so much

I hope you feel better too

 

[badatparties]

I am 28, but I have tried various treatments for nearly 15 years. I am in the US, but I am concerned that my therapists and psych will not aid in my process for assisted suicide, especially the legal repercussions. I do not know. I need to research more. I have not really done thorough research in the past regarding the program since I had still a tiny amount of drive to keep fighting. Now, I have none. But I have tried various treatments, and it seems nothing is working. So if my doctors are willing to give records for my assisted suicide, hopefully the records showing that I have not made a lot of progress for so many years gives a good case for me to be approved.

Also thank you for the information. I appreciate you taking the time to give a detailed reply.

Thank you so much

I hope you feel better too

You can get the records from your Psychiatrist, just don't tell them it's for a voluntary assisted death, or they will be reluctant to give them to you. Contrary to what some may think, the Swiss (VAD) organizations don't confirm patient records with foreign doctors, because it violates HIPPA, and no foreign doctor is going to work with a Euthanasia organization.

I know that's surprising considering the type of work they do, but checking with foreign doctors would be a legal and logistical nightmare. It just isn't done based on everything i know.

Pegasos has the most streamlined process, and only requires recent relevant medical records, nothing extensive.

 

[PI3.14]

I am 28, but I have tried various treatments for nearly 15 years. I am in the US, but I am concerned that my therapists and psych will not aid in my process for assisted suicide, especially the legal repercussions. I do not know. I need to research more. I have not really done thorough research in the past regarding the program since I had still a tiny amount of drive to keep fighting. Now, I have none. But I have tried various treatments, and it seems nothing is working. So if my doctors are willing to give records for my assisted suicide, hopefully the records showing that I have not made a lot of progress for so many years gives a good case for me to be approved.

Also thank you for the information. I appreciate you taking the time to give a detailed reply.

Local laws might present an issue, cus the doctors might get persecuted.

But you need to look more into this.

What diagnosis do you have if you don't mind me asking, I'm also 28, and I can say it's impossible for my parents to approve euthanasia, not living in Europe though.

You have a history of trying treatment for 15 years, which is a lot, sorry you went through pain all this time.

 

[SadbleaTablea]

You can get the records from your Psychiatrist, just don't tell them it's for a voluntary assisted death, or they will be reluctant to give them to you. Contrary to what some may think, the Swiss (VAD) organizations don't confirm patient records with foreign doctors, because it violates HIPPA, and no foreign doctor is going to work with a Euthanasia organization.

I know that's surprising considering the type of work they do, but checking with foreign doctors would be a legal and logistical nightmare. It just isn't done based on everything i know.

Pegasos has the most streamlined process, and only requires recent relevant medical records, nothing extensive.

I see. Thank you so much for this information. I was planning to call my psychiatrist this morning and let him know of my plans. Stupid, I know, but I guess I am that naive. So thank you for telling me this.

Would you know if my parents and family would be in legal trouble in the US since they know of my plans and would approve of it?

And another user mentioned that Pegasos sometimes take money away without responding to applications. Is it risky to go to Pegasos, or should I try Dignitas instead?

Local laws might present an issue, cus the doctors might get persecuted.

But you need to look more into this.

What diagnosis do you have if you don't mind me asking, I'm also 28, and I can say it's impossible for my parents to approve euthanasia, not living in Europe though.

You have a history of trying treatment for 15 years, which is a lot, sorry you went through pain all this time.

I am officially diagnosed with depression, anxiety, and a "mood disorder" in my psychiatrist's records. However, my current therapist has diagnosed me with Borderline Personality Disorder, but decided to not officially put the diagnosis in the records due to stigma (some mental health professionals may refuse to treat me since some label BPD clients as "high risk").

It is... a lot. Thank you for your sympathy. Trying for so long and not seeing any big progress is one of the main reasons that I am ready to go.

 

[badatparties]

I see. Thank you so much for this information. I was planning to call my psychiatrist this morning and let him know of my plans. Stupid, I know, but I guess I am that naive. So thank you for telling me this.

Would you know if my parents and family would be in legal trouble in the US since they know of my plans and would approve of it?

And another user mentioned that Pegasos sometimes take money away without responding to applications. Is it risky to go to Pegasos, or should I try Dignitas instead?

Dignitas is much harder, and requires extensive documentation. Pegasos is your best bet. They charge 5k Swiss Francs to review your official application, if not approved, they will keep 1500 of that 5K for administrative costs. You pay the rest of the money when you are ready to schedule your VAD date. The approval doesn't expire, so you can set the date whenever you want.

To my knowledge, no one has ever been prosecuted for going to Switzerland for a VAD. I think the legal risk is low to non existent, but it might not hurt to pay a local lawyer a few hundred dollars to make absolutely sure.

 

[SadbleaTablea]

Dignitas is much harder, and requires extensive documentation. Pegasos is your best bet. They charge 5k Swiss Francs to review your official application, if not approved, they will keep 1500 of that 5K for administrative costs. You pay the rest of the money when you are ready to schedule your VAD date. The approval doesn't expire, so you can set the date whenever you want.

To my knowledge, no one has ever been prosecuted for going to Switzerland for a VAD. I think the legal risk is low to non existent, but it might not hurt to pay a local lawyer a few hundred dollars to make absolutely sure.

I see. So if the application is denied, 3.5 Swiss Francs will be returned to me? Also, have you heard of Pegasos not responding to applications, even after approval and the rest of the money has been sent?

That sounds wise, I might consider that. I suppose a concern of mine is if the lawyer may "rat us out" for their own personal profit?

I apologize for the many questions. I just want to get a better understanding of how this whole thing work, so I can better apply for the program. Thank you for giving me very informative responses and answering my questions.

 

[badatparties]

I see. So if the application is denied, 3.5 Swiss Francs will be returned to me? Also, have you heard of Pegasos not responding to applications, even after approval and the rest of the money has been sent?

That sounds wise, I might consider that. I suppose a concern of mine is if the lawyer may "rat us out" for their own personal profit?

I apologize for the many questions. I just want to get a better understanding of how this whole thing work, so I can better apply for the program. Thank you for giving me very informative responses and answering my questions.

Yes, 3.5k Francs will be returned to you. You have client attorney privilege with your lawyer, there is zero incentive for them to "rat you out".

There might be a period of two weeks where they don't contact you after your initial approval, before the VAD date is set, and the rest of the money has been paid. This is most likely a waiting period for them to make sure you're serious, and not doing this on a whim. Don't fuck it up by sending several dozens emails, just be patient.

FAQs – Pegasos Swiss Association

pegasos-association.com

 

[SadbleaTablea]

Yes, 3.5k Francs will be returned to you. You have client attorney privilege with your lawyer, there is zero incentive for them to "rat you out".

There might be a period of two weeks where they don't contact you after your initial approval, before the VAD date is set, and the rest of the money has been paid. This is most likely a waiting period for them to make sure you're serious, and not doing this on a whim. Don't fuck it up by sending several dozens emails, just be patient.

FAQs – Pegasos Swiss Association

pegasos-association.com

Thank you. I am a very paranoid person, but this is a reassurance.

Noted. This also gives reassurance that Pegasos is legit. Though, my parents are questioning why they ask for records such as your passport and why the client cannot just be anonymous? They seem wary that because you have to apply to be a member, that the organization is a scam.

And thank you for the resource. I will definitely look into it.

 

[badatparties]

Thank you. I am a very paranoid person, but this is a reassurance.

Noted. This also gives reassurance that Pegasos is legit. Though, my parents are questioning why they ask for records such as your passport and why the client cannot just be anonymous? They seem wary that because you have to apply to be a member, that the organization is a scam.

And thank you for the resource. I will definitely look into it.

You don't have to be a member of Pegasos to get a VAD with them. You can't be anonymous because they need to comply with local laws and issue a death certificate. You can't just kill random anonymous people lmao, your identity must be confirmed.

You should be worried if they didn't confirm your identity, not the other way around lol.

How old are you? Cus age plays a role in these programs. If you're young, you will most likely not be accepted, especially if you didn't try treatment first.

Also, getting accepted on the grounds of mental suffering isn't easy.

Also, you'll probably need to have established a profile of having tried different treatments and them not working. Don't know if they accept reports from local doctors in your country.

They require family approve from what I've heard, but that alone isn't enough, so you can't just walk in and say your family are ok with it, and you don't want to be alive and proceed to be euthanized in few weeks. The process could take years even for people who live in those countries themselves but you will have to establish a profile of trying treatment for long enough time and it not working.

You also need multiple doctors signing and approving you for euthanasia, don't know if local doctors where you live are accepted.

You have your family approval, and I assume they have the money for it, but that alone isn't enough. I guess the most important item is an established record of trying treatment and it not working, but I could be wrong.

A whole lot of misinformation here. Firstly, there is no waiting line of years, it doesn't work that way. Once approved, you can usually set your VAD date within a month or two. Secondly, Pegasos does not confirm medical documents with foreign doctors, as that would be a legal and logistical nightmare.

I know it sounds crazy, but if the documents look legit, they will go ahead with the VAD. There is absolutely no need to tell your Psychiatrist what you're requesting the medical records for, as Pegasos will never contact them.

Other than that, you're completely correct in saying that getting approved for mental illness at OP's age will be very very difficult.

 

[SadbleaTablea]

You don't have to be a member of Pegasos to get a VAD with them. You can't be anonymous because they need to comply with local laws and issue a death certificate. You can't just kill random anonymous people lmao, your identity must be confirmed.

You should be worried if they didn't confirm your identity, not the other way around lol.

Oh, making an account on the Pegasos site is not the same as being a member? And right... that makes a lot of sense. Sorry, I'm quite slow, but if you got a chuckle out of it at least, then I'm glad

 

[badatparties]

Oh, making an account on the Pegasos site is not the same as being a member? And right... that makes a lot of sense. Sorry, I'm quite slow, but if you got a chuckle out of it at least, then I'm glad

Correct, making an account is not the same as being a member. There is a Join Pegasos link for that. You don't need to become a member to get a VAD with them.

 

[DeathSweetDeath]

Agreed, your age will be problematic. I chatted with someone in their late thirties who was similarly committed to dying & they were denied, but there's no reason not to give it a try & see what they say.

 

[LetMeOut67]

It's just typical that we have to jump through so many hoops when we're already suffering terribly

 

[madameviolette]

You could try Athaniasos as well. It's another organization, they respond faster than Pegasus and also requires less conditions than Dignitas.

 

[gameoverman]

Hey,anyone could advise me on how to contact Pegasos and describe my situation for them? Do I have to pay to get an answer from them if I even have a chance to get approved?

I'm 29 and my reasons for CTB are PSSD,BIND/brain and neurological damage from benzos and other meds and also permanent tinnitus. None of those things can be proven on paper as far as I know.

have a suport from my mother and she said she would accompany me to Pegasos and sign papers to allow my VAD but I don't know if that would be enough.

 

[woodlawntap2012]

You don't have to be a member of Pegasos to get a VAD with them. You can't be anonymous because they need to comply with local laws and issue a death certificate. You can't just kill random anonymous people lmao, your identity must be confirmed.

You should be worried if they didn't confirm your identity, not the other way around lol.

A whole lot of misinformation here. Firstly, there is no waiting line of years, it doesn't work that way. Once approved, you can usually set your VAD date within a month or two. Secondly, Pegasos does not confirm medical documents with foreign doctors, as that would be a legal and logistical nightmare.

I know it sounds crazy, but if the documents look legit, they will go ahead with the VAD. There is absolutely no need to tell your Psychiatrist what you're requesting the medical records for, as Pegasos will never contact them.

Other than that, you're completely correct in saying that getting approved for mental illness at OP's age will be very very difficult.

You sound really knowledgeable about this process! I've been looking into it for a decade at this point, and it's still pretty nebulous. I'm 31 now, also in the US and have gone through various anti depressants and anti anxiety meds, but nothing stronger than that. If youre okay answering, do you know what I need to keep doing to build the right application? Does being a member help at all?

 

[badatparties]

You sound really knowledgeable about this process! I've been looking into it for a decade at this point, and it's still pretty nebulous. I'm 31 now, also in the US and have gone through various anti depressants and anti anxiety meds, but nothing stronger than that. If youre okay answering, do you know what I need to keep doing to build the right application? Does being a member help at all?

Being a member has no bearing on your application at all, it's just to support the organization. If you want to know more, just go to the Pegasos website and read the VAD link and the FAQ's. That will tell you 99% of everything you need to know.

Pegasos Swiss Association

pegasos-association.com