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MydnytSorrow

MydnytSorrow

*To Die Would Be An Awfully Big Adventure*
Aug 9, 2025
23
I feel like my biggest downfall is that I focus so much on making those around me happy, that I neglect my own happiness. I sacrifice so much for my family and coworkers, but not a single person is there when I am at my lowest. I just feel so alone in this world that I'm trying desperately to keep myself from shattering :( What do I even do…?
 
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mysideofthemountain

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Dec 7, 2024
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Stop giving other people all the love and attention and effort they don't appreciate!!!!

I am sort of in the midst of working through a similar phenomenon right now. I give people love and attention in the hopes that what we will share is mutual. That they will give me love and attention back. They don't.

I haven't quite gotten to "and therefore I should give myself this love and attention". That's harder...but I have realized that loving someone who takes you for granted is not worth it.
 
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amerie

amerie

an earthworm sprinkled with salt
Oct 6, 2024
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In a perfect world, you can cut off contact with your blood relatives and move on, but for most people this is not viable.

Set boundaries. This isn't your fault as you were conditioned into this behavior likely since childhood, but if a rock doesn't move what's stopping people from stepping on it? Start saying no to things you're not willing to take on. Obviously don't become a dick and abandon your giving nature but only show care to those who respect you.
 
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Dejected 55

Dejected 55

Enlightened
May 7, 2025
1,281
It kind of depends on how you are wired... Most people will tell you that if you are a giver and always giving and the people you give to never reciprocate, take advantage of you, etc... that you should stop giving so much unless and until you get it in return. This isn't horrible advice, but it might not help... and here's why...

IF you are giving and people take advantage of you, that is obviously bad for you. If you stop giving to them so much, they will either leave you OR they will start to appreciate you. IF they leave you, it will hurt... IF they start reciprocating, is that good? Did they become better people OR did they just see they need to do something to keep you giving to them so they can go back to normal? If you have to bribe a person to be nice, are they nice?

That's the normal scenario... but what if you, like me, are wired to be a natural giver? You don't give to get in return. You give to give. It makes you happy to give to people you care about, and even to strangers in need. But, you also need attention and care too... and when you don't get that you hurt... so people tell you to stop giving so much... but that doesn't make people start giving to you. Instead, now you are not only deprived of being cared for, you are repressing your natural instincts to give to others... and you hurt twice now.

Reciprocation gets a bad rap. It is usually described as transactional... as in, I love you so you must love me or it isn't fair... and our love must be equal or it isn't fair, and when I do something for you, you must do something for me of equal importance and pleasure... and so forth... but real reciprocation is nothing of the sort. You give because you care for someone, you give because you have more than you need or more in you and you feel like you will burst if you can't give to someone... you don't give because you want equivalent exchange. But, you are also human... you need to be cared for sometimes, you crave someone giving to you also. You aren't necessarily craving, requiring the same gift to you that you give to others... but you need something... and you don't need that gift to you to be because you gave to someone... you need a gift that is also freely given, because that other person also wants to give, needs to give, and wants to give specifically to you.

True reciprocation happens when two people give to each other because that is who they are, and they choose you to direct their gifts. They don't want anything in return and you don't want anything in return... but because you are giving to each other, you get what you need anyway... in both directions... and it is a beautiful thing (or at least I imagine it is).

People have it in them to be this... to do this... but so often they don't. And it's easy to get cynical, and also to feel like why am I giving so much and no one gives to me. Even if you don't want direct exchange of gifts... when you give all the time and receive barely anything or nothing, resentment can creep in... but I reiterate, it's not because you give and you explicitly want something in return... it's because your needs aren't being met. It really is that simple.

You can unconditionally give to others, and if even one of them gives something to you that you needed, then you will not have the resentment towards others who aren't giving. You will give because that is who you are and energized because someone else has given to you... and it will all work.

But it's kind of fantasy, since it is so hard to find this in the world. I have not found it.
 
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MydnytSorrow

MydnytSorrow

*To Die Would Be An Awfully Big Adventure*
Aug 9, 2025
23
It kind of depends on how you are wired... Most people will tell you that if you are a giver and always giving and the people you give to never reciprocate, take advantage of you, etc... that you should stop giving so much unless and until you get it in return. This isn't horrible advice, but it might not help... and here's why...

IF you are giving and people take advantage of you, that is obviously bad for you. If you stop giving to them so much, they will either leave you OR they will start to appreciate you. IF they leave you, it will hurt... IF they start reciprocating, is that good? Did they become better people OR did they just see they need to do something to keep you giving to them so they can go back to normal? If you have to bribe a person to be nice, are they nice?

That's the normal scenario... but what if you, like me, are wired to be a natural giver? You don't give to get in return. You give to give. It makes you happy to give to people you care about, and even to strangers in need. But, you also need attention and care too... and when you don't get that you hurt... so people tell you to stop giving so much... but that doesn't make people start giving to you. Instead, now you are not only deprived of being cared for, you are repressing your natural instincts to give to others... and you hurt twice now.

Reciprocation gets a bad rap. It is usually described as transactional... as in, I love you so you must love me or it isn't fair... and our love must be equal or it isn't fair, and when I do something for you, you must do something for me of equal importance and pleasure... and so forth... but real reciprocation is nothing of the sort. You give because you care for someone, you give because you have more than you need or more in you and you feel like you will burst if you can't give to someone... you don't give because you want equivalent exchange. But, you are also human... you need to be cared for sometimes, you crave someone giving to you also. You aren't necessarily craving, requiring the same gift to you that you give to others... but you need something... and you don't need that gift to you to be because you gave to someone... you need a gift that is also freely given, because that other person also wants to give, needs to give, and wants to give specifically to you.

True reciprocation happens when two people give to each other because that is who they are, and they choose you to direct their gifts. They don't want anything in return and you don't want anything in return... but because you are giving to each other, you get what you need anyway... in both directions... and it is a beautiful thing (or at least I imagine it is).

People have it in them to be this... to do this... but so often they don't. And it's easy to get cynical, and also to feel like why am I giving so much and no one gives to me. Even if you don't want direct exchange of gifts... when you give all the time and receive barely anything or nothing, resentment can creep in... but I reiterate, it's not because you give and you explicitly want something in return... it's because your needs aren't being met. It really is that simple.

You can unconditionally give to others, and if even one of them gives something to you that you needed, then you will not have the resentment towards others who aren't giving. You will give because that is who you are and energized because someone else has given to you... and it will all work.

But it's kind of fantasy, since it is so hard to find this in the world. I have not found it.
Damn. It is like you read me like an open book. I struggle at putting those thoughts into words and you did it perfectly. I feel like I couldn't stop giving, even if I wanted to. I have never asked for anything. A smile or a hug or a "Hey, how has your day been?" would be perfect enough but it seems that that is even too much to ask for.
 
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hippiedeath

hippiedeath

Dead on the inside
Jul 12, 2025
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I wen't to codependence anonymous meetings for years. It helped me set boundaries, and learned to say no sometimes. I don't know if you have CoDA meetings by you, but it might be helpful. They are online now too. It's similar to AA but focuses more on feelings.
 
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Dejected 55

Dejected 55

Enlightened
May 7, 2025
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Damn. It is like you read me like an open book. I struggle at putting those thoughts into words and you did it perfectly. I feel like I couldn't stop giving, even if I wanted to. I have never asked for anything. A smile or a hug or a "Hey, how has your day been?" would be perfect enough but it seems that that is even too much to ask for.
I just wish I had more to offer than understanding. Being understood is cool and all, but it would be nice to figure out the next step. I haven't yet.
 
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Goodgirlryeo101

Warlock
May 27, 2023
718
In any world and for anyone if you do so much for someone and they rapay with evil you will be angry and feel disappointed that's the truth. I remember this guy being upset on how this guy he had accommodated was putting him down he was upset not because he wanted something back but because he had accommodated this guy and he paid him back by talking bad about him and his family.

He told me this and complained as to why this guy did this to him after he had accommodated him and also this guy has called cops on him so I can imagine it had turned hostile.

I think if someone is being kind and giving why return that with evil. The same guy who is now accusing me of expecting something when I help people of course I do - honesty, transparency and the truth. This guy complained to me before on how he felt when his friend did that especially after he had some sacrifices for him so why criticise me for something he had actually experienced and confided me into. Because he expressed disappointment and a huge let down and it's okay, it's not that he was expecting something of a material thing but more of gratitude and grace through this guy's actions.

He had also told me how all of his friends were sh!t and how I was only his friend and now he comes after me for not having friends in real life and calling it mental illness sometimes the hypocrisy of this guy literally shocks me.

This guy need to go and download 8 hours of worth of material go and look at those videos of what that racist was saying about him and his wife and calling names under the books "since I'm always lying". That's why I told that Nigerian man to not ever use that racist as a model of any integrity.

Before anyone speaks of people around me they should look around their own so called friends as well.
 
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R. A.

R. A.

If I must die, do not let them say I did not live.
Aug 8, 2022
1,442
aw. the sad conclusion i've come to after years of other people's shit is that quite frankly most people fucking suck.
they're either full-on cruel, indifferent, performative, fairweather friends, or unable to handle conflict of any kind.
between all those kinds of people and those who actually care and look out for others - are willing to be present and supportive through struggles...yeah, it's a slim minority :/

i have functionally lost people i considered chosen family, for whose sakes i basically was not ctb'ing, over the most inconsequential shit (of theirs) or for no apparent reason. never could've predicted those.

sorry. i wish you could hire me, i'd give you a daily hug 🫂
 
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Goodgirlryeo101

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May 27, 2023
718
aw. the sad conclusion i've come to after years of other people's shit is that quite frankly most people fucking suck.
they're either full-on cruel, indifferent, performative, fairweather friends, or unable to handle conflict of any kind.
between all those kinds of people and those who actually care and look out for others - are willing to be present and supportive through struggles...yeah, it's a slim minority :/

i have functionally lost people i considered chosen family, for whose sakes i basically was not ctb'ing, over the most inconsequential shit (of theirs) or for no apparent reason. never could've predicted those.

sorry. i wish you could hire me, i'd give you a daily hug 🫂
I agree calling cops because of an argument or a disagreement with a "friend" whom you are accommodating truly shows how they couldn't handle conflict at all.

I mean this guy complained about "his own friends" being sh!t and even made a song about fake friends . So of course I do laugh when he is alway bragging "friends this and friends that" and calling some of my old friends fake whilst some of his own friends used to message me to talk bad about him. In this world nothing is certain especially when it comes to death.

No one knows their end date and yet some people will be plotting and bragging on how they will live a long life something they can't even control and don't know themselves. They spend their time hating on me and creating groups about me and then call me a hater - the hypocrisy makes me laugh.

I mean that's why this guy's "ally" told me I shouldn't have helped him and she told she would never help someone like "him". I wonder if she would have stuck through his struggles" - yeah true friend saying that about him behind his back to me". She even said I was dumb for helping someone like him. This man literally cried to me how his friends were sh!t friends through his own struggles lool.

No love in this world is unconditional- it's only for movies and tv shows - the same people who are still with their partners talked bad about them to me before - that's not unconditional love because if it was the person would embrace them with their flaws - unconditional love only exists in scripts and novels.
 
MydnytSorrow

MydnytSorrow

*To Die Would Be An Awfully Big Adventure*
Aug 9, 2025
23
aw. the sad conclusion i've come to after years of other people's shit is that quite frankly most people fucking suck.
they're either full-on cruel, indifferent, performative, fairweather friends, or unable to handle conflict of any kind.
between all those kinds of people and those who actually care and look out for others - are willing to be present and supportive through struggles...yeah, it's a slim minority :/

i have functionally lost people i considered chosen family, for whose sakes i basically was not ctb'ing, over the most inconsequential shit (of theirs) or for no apparent reason. never could've predicted those.

sorry. i wish you could hire me, i'd give you a daily hug 🫂
You're hired! 🫂
 

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