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Darkover

Darkover

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Jul 29, 2021
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Life, at its core, is a cycle of suffering, struggle, and inevitable loss. Though some may claim that life contains joy and meaning, these fleeting experiences are overshadowed by the relentless pain that defines existence. From the necessity of consuming other beings for survival to the cruelty of disease, injustice, and the looming certainty of death, life operates more like a punishment than a gift. Even the things we cling to—our relationships, possessions, and identities—are temporary illusions, as nothing truly belongs to anything, and everything ultimately disintegrates. If hell is a place of suffering, loss, and meaninglessness, then we are already living in it.

One of the most disturbing truths about existence is that survival requires destruction. Every living being must consume others—whether animals or plants—to stay alive. This brutal system ensures that pain and death are inescapable aspects of existence. Predators hunt, prey suffers, and even plants are cut down and devoured. There is no escape from this cycle; to exist is to take from others. A world that forces its inhabitants to kill and consume just to delay their own suffering and death is not a paradise—it is a hell designed to sustain itself through endless pain.

If life were inherently good, it would not require artificial improvements to be tolerable. Modern medicine, electricity, heating, shelter, and grocery stores make life easier, but they only serve to mask the brutality of nature. Without these human-made systems, disease, starvation, and exposure would be inescapable. The mere fact that humans must continuously create things to make life livable proves how unbearable life naturally is.

If life were not hell, innocent children would not be born with cancer, genetic disorders, or into extreme poverty and war. They did nothing to deserve such suffering, yet life burdens them with pain from the moment they enter the world. There is no fairness, no divine justice—just a chaotic system that assigns misery at random. The existence of childhood suffering alone proves that life is not a gift but a cruel lottery where even the most innocent are subjected to pain.

One of the greatest illusions of life is ownership. People dedicate their entire existence to accumulating wealth, possessions, and relationships, yet nothing can ever truly be owned. Everything we claim to possess—our bodies, our homes, even our memories—will eventually fade, be lost, or be taken from us. Relationships dissolve, objects decay, and even our sense of self changes over time. In the end, everything returns to nothing. Life gives us attachments only to rip them away, ensuring that suffering is inevitable.

No matter how much effort we put into building, maintaining, or preserving, everything eventually falls apart. Empires collapse, families break apart, bodies decay, and even the universe itself is headed toward eventual destruction. The impermanence of everything makes life feel like a cruel joke—no matter what we do, time erases all traces of our existence. If life were not hell, it would not be built upon a foundation of inevitable loss.

Even if one manages to avoid disease, starvation, and loss, death is inevitable. Every connection, every achievement, and every fleeting moment of happiness will disappear. And for what? Most people live and die without making any significant impact, their lives amounting to nothing in the grand scheme of the universe. If existence had a purpose, it would not end in absolute erasure. Instead, it follows a pattern of temporary struggle, suffering, and destruction.

If there were any fairness or order to existence, suffering would have limits. Yet the universe is indifferent. Natural disasters, pandemics, and accidents wipe out innocent lives at random. There is no reason for who suffers and who prospers. If there were a creator, they would either be absent, indifferent, or outright malevolent. If there is no creator, then existence is simply a meaningless accident in which suffering is an unavoidable consequence. Either way, there is no justice—only pain, randomness, and the slow decay of everything we value.
Conclusion

All aspects of life confirm that we are living in hell. Existence demands suffering, survival requires destruction, and everything we cling to is temporary. Even with human-made comforts, life remains a fragile, painful experience that ends in inevitable loss and oblivion. Nothing truly belongs to us, and everything eventually disintegrates, leaving behind only the hollow memory of what once was. If hell is defined as a place of suffering, impermanence, and meaninglessness, then we have been living in it all along.
 
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hav0c-inmybrain

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very well written, I agree 100%
 
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lavenderlilylies

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The world is very mindlessly cruel to be of anything but complete absurdity. People have believed in the divine for their own survival. It's far too much for our minds to bear that all of this suffering is unnecessary, unjustified, and unending. So we seek a comfortable answer, a light at the end, gods.

This could be hell. But that would mean the world is ruled by a directional force towards agony. But i think it's as you put it, more of a cruel joke. A directionless chaotic pointless joke.
 
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Can't disagree with that. Our pointless wants and desires cause unnecessary suffering too. We want stuff we can't have so we suffer. How do I get rid of my wants and desires. By ceasing to exist. Or else it'll never end. Its always something. Mental , physical financial, the suffering is perpetual . Just when you think you have something under control something else comes up and it's just a bullshit cycle. Non existence is the only thing I truly crave
 
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Peter Skellern

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There should be a separate Venting section.
 
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Darkover

Darkover

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There should be a separate Venting section.
I apologize that it didn't meet your expectations
like divine interventions

Someone might attribute randomness has divine intervention
 
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Peter Skellern

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I apologize that it didn't meet your expectations
like divine interventions
It actually DID meet my expectations of one of your posts.
 
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i see you changed your name from Richard Langford
I'm glad your still here Richard/Peter, i wondered if you caught a bus or not as I hadn't read a post from you in some time.
 
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Poiter1987

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Couldn't agree more. I've recently had this revelation myself.
 
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Darkover

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I didn't mention aging, which in my opinion is one of the cruelest things inflicted upon humans. Having youth and then losing it.

Even in the best case scenario, if you are born into a wealthy, loving family, in a stable economy, you are in good health, have good looks and good social skills, you will still age and lose loved ones due to aging.

I suppose our emotions are the biggest problem. Most of these things i listed wouldn't really be a problem if we didn't feel bad about them.


Even in the most privileged circumstances—being born into a wealthy, loving family, in good health, surrounded by beauty and opportunity—suffering is inescapable because of aging. Aging is one of the most insidious forms of cruelty that life inflicts upon us. It is not a sudden tragedy, but a gradual, drawn-out unraveling of everything we once held dear.


Youth, with all its vitality, potential, and allure, is not only temporary but designed to be lost. Over time, our bodies weaken, our minds slow, and our reflections become unrecognizable. Even our memories—the last remnants of the self—begin to fade. No matter how much we try to preserve our health or appearance, entropy wins. It always wins.


Aging also ensures loss of others. Parents grow old and die. Friends become distant, infirm, or vanish entirely. Spouses decline beside us or leave us grieving in isolation. Even in the best-case scenario, aging brings loneliness. It delivers helplessness, invisibility, and often pain. That such a fate is not a possibility, but a certainty, makes it one of the most universally cruel aspects of life.


If life were truly a gift, it would not give us joy only to guarantee its erosion. It would not offer beauty, strength, and connection, only to tear them away over time. Aging is a betrayal written into the fabric of existence—proof that life was not built to nurture, but to dismantle.


What makes all of this worse is not just the physical decline or external losses, but the emotional cost. Pain is not just what happens to the body—it's what the mind feels. Without grief, fear, longing, or sorrow, many of life's cruelties might pass unnoticed. If we were emotionless, we might not suffer.


But therein lies the trap: the very thing that gives our lives meaning—emotion—is also the root of our suffering. We mourn because we once loved. We fear loss because we once had. We suffer because we feel. If we didn't care, we wouldn't hurt. But if we didn't hurt, we wouldn't care. There is no escape from this paradox.


Emotions are not a gift—they are the strings that bind us to a world destined to fall apart. To feel deeply in this world is to suffer deeply. The more we care, the more we lose. The more we love, the more we hurt. Life ensures that every emotional investment is paid back in pain.
 
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Life, at its core, is a cycle of suffering, struggle, and inevitable loss. Though some may claim that life contains joy and meaning, these fleeting experiences are overshadowed by the relentless pain that defines existence. From the necessity of consuming other beings for survival to the cruelty of disease, injustice, and the looming certainty of death, life operates more like a punishment than a gift. Even the things we cling to—our relationships, possessions, and identities—are temporary illusions, as nothing truly belongs to anything, and everything ultimately disintegrates. If hell is a place of suffering, loss, and meaninglessness, then we are already living in it.

One of the most disturbing truths about existence is that survival requires destruction. Every living being must consume others—whether animals or plants—to stay alive. This brutal system ensures that pain and death are inescapable aspects of existence. Predators hunt, prey suffers, and even plants are cut down and devoured. There is no escape from this cycle; to exist is to take from others. A world that forces its inhabitants to kill and consume just to delay their own suffering and death is not a paradise—it is a hell designed to sustain itself through endless pain.

If life were inherently good, it would not require artificial improvements to be tolerable. Modern medicine, electricity, heating, shelter, and grocery stores make life easier, but they only serve to mask the brutality of nature. Without these human-made systems, disease, starvation, and exposure would be inescapable. The mere fact that humans must continuously create things to make life livable proves how unbearable life naturally is.

If life were not hell, innocent children would not be born with cancer, genetic disorders, or into extreme poverty and war. They did nothing to deserve such suffering, yet life burdens them with pain from the moment they enter the world. There is no fairness, no divine justice—just a chaotic system that assigns misery at random. The existence of childhood suffering alone proves that life is not a gift but a cruel lottery where even the most innocent are subjected to pain.

One of the greatest illusions of life is ownership. People dedicate their entire existence to accumulating wealth, possessions, and relationships, yet nothing can ever truly be owned. Everything we claim to possess—our bodies, our homes, even our memories—will eventually fade, be lost, or be taken from us. Relationships dissolve, objects decay, and even our sense of self changes over time. In the end, everything returns to nothing. Life gives us attachments only to rip them away, ensuring that suffering is inevitable.

No matter how much effort we put into building, maintaining, or preserving, everything eventually falls apart. Empires collapse, families break apart, bodies decay, and even the universe itself is headed toward eventual destruction. The impermanence of everything makes life feel like a cruel joke—no matter what we do, time erases all traces of our existence. If life were not hell, it would not be built upon a foundation of inevitable loss.

Even if one manages to avoid disease, starvation, and loss, death is inevitable. Every connection, every achievement, and every fleeting moment of happiness will disappear. And for what? Most people live and die without making any significant impact, their lives amounting to nothing in the grand scheme of the universe. If existence had a purpose, it would not end in absolute erasure. Instead, it follows a pattern of temporary struggle, suffering, and destruction.

If there were any fairness or order to existence, suffering would have limits. Yet the universe is indifferent. Natural disasters, pandemics, and accidents wipe out innocent lives at random. There is no reason for who suffers and who prospers. If there were a creator, they would either be absent, indifferent, or outright malevolent. If there is no creator, then existence is simply a meaningless accident in which suffering is an unavoidable consequence. Either way, there is no justice—only pain, randomness, and the slow decay of everything we value.
Conclusion

All aspects of life confirm that we are living in hell. Existence demands suffering, survival requires destruction, and everything we cling to is temporary. Even with human-made comforts, life remains a fragile, painful experience that ends in inevitable loss and oblivion. Nothing truly belongs to us, and everything eventually disintegrates, leaving behind only the hollow memory of what once was. If hell is defined as a place of suffering, impermanence, and meaninglessness, then we have been living in it all along.
I agree with everything you said. We are in hell. The scary part is leaving it, actually doing the act. I think once the eyes are closed for good, it will be so calm. At least to me.
 
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theboy

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If it really was hell, this forum wouldn't even exist
 
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Darkover

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If it really was hell, this forum wouldn't even exist
hell not in the literal scene but in the metaphorical scene
The metaphorical use of "hell" refers to something profoundly unpleasant or painful, rather than a literal place of eternal punishment
look at it this way this is the closet-est you will get to being in hell
 

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