Help Legally acquiring lethal chemicals (industrial pesticides, potassium cyanide, etc).

[weird_place777]

Prescription drugs are synthetic and trustworthy, but designed for human consumption and unlikely to kill from an overdose. Natural poisons are dangerous and potentially fatal, but vary in quality and are hard to find without extensive traveling. Industrial chemicals seem to be the best of both worlds, and mostly without the drawbacks of each! From a reliable source, they have the trusted artificial consistency of man-made substances, and many of them at least appear to be deadlier than most toxic natural poisons.

With SN becoming increasingly censored, what options are there for lethal chemicals? Cyanide has been my #1 choice. From what I've read, it's technically not illegal in my country, but is heavily regulated, and given its long history of war crimes and murders I can't imagine any way of realistically acquiring it.

Given the sheer number of industrial chemicals out there, I find it hard to believe that there aren't other substances capable of being used for self-euthanasia. Since cyanide appears to be "guaranteed death", even a lesser chemical should still be consistently fatal in a high enough dose.

Why are pesticides considered a non-method, but cyanide isn't? Pesticides and similar chemicals are poisons explicitly designed to kill living things. Are there any other agricultural/industrial chemicals that could work as reliable euthanasia? And are there any legal alternatives to cyanide that are more accessible? It doesn't have to be pleasant, it just has to work.

 

[squiddedoutt]

Death by cyanide is likely very painful, I remember searching for information about it at one point.

If you do truly want cyanide,
Note that many compounds which contain cyanide in some form, and are not heavily regulated due to low innate toxicity, will release HCN upon reaction or decomposition by heating…

 

[TooMuchHasHappened]

Interesting thread, something I was looking in to myself.

Potassium Cyanide was (and still is if I can get it) my #1 choice, but as you say, it is extremely difficult to obtain. I don't know what country you're in, but here in the U.K I can imagine it would be impossible. Even getting SN (which is legal) is most likely going to result in the police turning up at one's door, many on here are reporting so, and why that's no longer an option for me.

I've even been watching YouTube videos on how to make Potassium Cyanide myself. I was going to buy the chemistry hardware items necessary for the process and build myself a home chemistry set, but it's clear that one would need to buy many items and have experience in chemistry; i do not unfortunately. Also, part of the process involves using a electro furnace and heating the chemicals to very high temperatures (up to 900 degrees C), it also needs to be heated outside due to off-gassing. The whole process seems very technical to a layperson (in chemistry) like myself, even just the clean up process requires certain chemicals to neutralise residues and make things safe etc.

The two chemicals needed are apparently easy to obtain, however, as I've just described, the process is very tricky, requiring expensive equipment which would raise some eyebrows, and requires (imo) expertise in chemistry. This, unfortunately, makes it an impossible option for me. How I wish I did chemistry at university .

I also considered sourcing via the dark web, but getting the genuine substance, or being able to get it at all, would be highly unlikely. Even if it is available on the dark web, it's likely a scam, and it's not as if you could report the scam or anything. I can just imagine calling trading standards or something and saying "erm, I ordered some Potassium Cyanide on the dark web and I think I was scammed, so I'm just letting you know" .

I would love to be able to obtain it somehow.
I never imagined that CTB-ing - without a body that's not all messed up and by causing trauma to others that is (train or jumping for example) - would be so difficult to achieve.

 

[Intoxicated]

I've even been watching YouTube videos on how to make Potassium Cyanide myself. I was going to buy the chemistry hardware items necessary for the process and build myself a home chemistry set, but it's clear that one would need to buy many items and have experience in chemistry; i do not unfortunately. Also, part of the process involves using a electro furnace and heating the chemicals to very high temperatures (up to 900 degrees C), it also needs to be heated outside due to off-gassing. The whole process seems very technical to a layperson (in chemistry) like myself, even just the clean up process requires certain chemicals to neutralise residues and make things safe etc.

Gaseous hydrogen cyanide should be way easier to make than potassium cyanide, and poisoning via the inhalational route should be significantly faster than poisoning via ingestion (assuming that the gas is administered directly from a small container rather than breathed in after dissipating it in a large space, which is a very inefficient way of administration).

Examples of alternative gaseous poisons that are easy to produce are hydrogen sulfide (which is nearly as potent as hydrogen cyanide) and carbon dioxide. The last gas is not so deadly, but it can be used for inducing relatively quick narcosis followed by respiratory arrest and death (there are examples of successful suicides with it) and it's much safer for people who find you.

Carbon monoxide can be the most comfortable poison for CTB, but producing it at effective concentrations with minimum irritating impurities can be more challenging than making one of the aforementioned 3 gases.

 

[TooMuchHasHappened]

Gaseous hydrogen cyanide should be way easier to make than potassium cyanide, and poisoning via the inhalational route should be significantly faster than poisoning via ingestion (assuming that the gas is administered directly from a small container rather than breathed in after dissipating it in a large space, which is a very inefficient way of administration).

Examples of alternative gaseous poisons that are easy to produce are hydrogen sulfide (which is nearly as potent as hydrogen cyanide) and carbon dioxide. The last gas is not so deadly, but it can be used for inducing relatively quick narcosis followed by respiratory arrest and death (there are examples of successful suicides with it) and it's much safer for people who find you.

Carbon monoxide can be the most comfortable poison for CTB, but producing it at effective concentrations with minimum irritating impurities can be more challenging than making one of the aforementioned 3 gases.

Interesting, thanks for sharing.

So gaseous methods would require a positive pressure face mask to be effective?

As an ex professional Diver, I only know what a CO2 'build up' feels like, and the effects of it physiologically, but that's with O2 and N2 still present, just higher than normal CO2. Basically, the body goes into a kind of panic mode, resulting in very shallow and rapid breathing in an attempt to get more oxygen. A Divers hat has a flush system because this is a common occurrence, specifically when working hard at depth.

I would have assumed that survival instinct would kick in immediately at 100% concentration, and cause one to rip the mask off. I realise that anything that displaces O2 entirely (He is another example) will cause death eventually, it's just how long that takes to occur that's potentially an issue, as well as what happens to the body physiologically. Also, I've ran out of air as a Diver (equipment malfunction), so know what that feels like, as well as having an understanding of my survival instinct (I really wish I didn't make it back to the surface now ). But if people have been successful with that method, then my assumptions were obviously wrong, and it can't take as long as I'd assumed. Still, I don't think that would be an option for me though, unfortunately.

At the moment, CO is my preferred method, but realise that it is difficult to pull off successfully. If I didn't want to leave an intact body behind for my parents, and not traumatise anybody else, then a high speed train would be my method. However, the mess that that would leave behind, and the trauma it would cause to the driver and those picking up the pieces, and the extra trauma it would cause to my family, has made me rethink that.

Suicide seems quite difficult to achieve for most of us, I wish it was easier than this. I even considered travelling to another country to get access to things I can't here, but it would cost my family a lot of money to get me home .

 

[Intoxicated]

So gaseous methods would require a positive pressure face mask to be effective?

No, that seems unnecessarily complicated. Filling some plastic bag with a poisonous gas and placing it over the head should suffice. At sufficiently high concentrations, all 4 mentioned gases should produce loss of consciousness within 1 minute.

For HCN:

Intoxication at ≥2000 ppm hydrogen cyanide is characterized by a brief sensation of dryness and burning in the throat due to local irritation, a suffusing warmth, and a hunger for air. Hyperpnea, and sometimes a brief outcry, follows the first breath. In <1 minute, apnea, a few gasps, loss of consciousness, and convulsions occur. Cardiovascular failure may also occur, although the heart may continue to beat for 3–4 minutes after the last breath.

RELEVANCE TO PUBLIC HEALTH - Toxicological Profile for Cyanide - NCBI Bookshelf

For H₂S:

The immediate effect of inhaling H₂S at concentrations 1000 to 2000 ppm (1390 to 2780 mg/m³) for a few minutes are unconsciousness and respiratory paralysis, which may lead to death due to inhibition of the respiratory center of the brain. Inhalation of only 1 or 2 breaths of air containing 5000 ppm (7000 mg/m³) H₂S causes unconsciousness.

https://i.sanctioned-suicide.net/images/2024/12/216369_EPA_-_H2S.pdf (pp. 1-2, 1-3)

Usually acute intoxication occurs from a single, massive exposure of 2000 ppm (2781 mg/m³) or more, and unconsciousness occurs within a few seconds, without significant warning or pain. Unconsciousness, termed "knock-down" by workers, is almost immediately followed by respiratory paralysis, and after that by a short period of tonic convulsions (Yant, 1930). The heart continues to beat for several minutes. Death occurs unless the victim is removed from the contaminated area and artificial ventilation is immediately initiated.

https://i.sanctioned-suicide.net/images/2024/12/216369_EPA_-_H2S.pdf (p. 8-24)

For CO₂:

Friedlander and Hill [28] exposed 37 young adult psychiatric patients to 30% carbon dioxide in oxygen. These patients had received no previous treatment of this type. During administration of the gas mixture by mask for 50-52 seconds, the average patient "lost consciousness" within 24-28 seconds and regained it after 110 seconds.

Effects of high carbon dioxide concentrations on the electrocardiogram (ECG) were studied by MacDonald and Simonson. [44] The subjects were 17 males, aged 25-48 years. All were psychiatric patients hospitalized at the time of the experiment, and all had normal cardiac functions and no evidence of hypertension prior to the study. A mixture of 30% carbon dioxide and 70% oxygen was administered by mask for an average of 38 seconds. Narcosis was evident approximately 20-30 seconds after administration of the gas mixture was begun.

https://i.sanctioned-suicide.net/images/2025/10/242981_cdc_19367_DS1.pdf - pages 25, 37

For CO:

https://www.osha.gov/sites/default/files/2018-12/fy15_sh-27664-sh5_Confined_Space_Handout_Effects_of_CO.pdf

As an ex professional Diver, I only know what a CO2 'build up' feels like, and the effects of it physiologically, but that's with O2 and N2 still present, just higher than normal CO2. Basically, the body goes into a kind of panic mode, resulting in very shallow and rapid breathing in an attempt to get more oxygen. A Divers hat has a flush system because this is a common occurrence, specifically when working hard at depth.

I would have assumed that survival instinct would kick in immediately at 100% concentration, and cause one to rip the mask off.

I don't believe in survival instinct. It's just a matter of your tolerance to discomfort. If you're a heavy smoker or drug addict, it may be very difficult for you to refrain from smoking one more cigarette or taking one more portion of your drug despite knowing that either thing is harmful for your health, yet nobody calls this lack of willpower "survival instinct". People were able to inhale carbon dioxide at high concentrations with some effort.

Subjects generally exhibited one of three breathing patterns:

1. Deep and desperately rapid breathing starting by the second breath, and lasting into the teens. Somewhere before breath 20 the urgency tapers off and the subject settles into deep, rhythmic breaths.
2. Deep, rapid breathing with a gagging pause, as if to swallow, every 3 or 4 breaths into the 20s.
3. Calm, deep, slow breathing, through the 20s. One subject displayed this pattern during each session; another adopted it after his second session, and reported that it required quite a bit of will power.

Erowid Carbogen Vault : Carbogen Redux: Contemporary Exploration of a Ubiquitous Inhalant

Carbogen Redux: Contemporary Exploration of a Ubiquitous Inhalant, by B. James

www.erowid.org

Here are some reports of forum users who claimed that they have tried inhaling CO₂:

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) simple painless method (still researching idea)

Hi guys, this is my first post and I wanted to share something I’ve been researching (through I haven’t completed all of the research yet). Carbon Dioxide (co2) the natural gas we emit when exhaling could be a very effective and almost entirely painless way to ctb within 10-15 minutes. The...

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Just tried citric acid & baking soda plastic bag asphyxiation

I've previously tried just the plastic bag with a rubberband around my neck to secure it, but my best attempt was only 3 minutes and it felt very uncomfortable (like 1/10 peacefulness) But I just tried citric acid and baking soda to produce CO2 with two cups in the bag after pushing out most of...

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Co2 suffocation

Havent seen much on co2 inhalation as a method. I have acquired citric acid and baking soda and have inhaled to the point of blackout, now just need to fill up a garbage bag and call it. Who knows when is time, but I have a quick out if I want it.

sanctioned-suicide.net

Near Success! Cheap, Fast. (Baking Soda + Citric Acid)

Just tried baking soda and citric acid in a plastic bag. It nearly worked. I purposely lowered the concentration because it was more a trial , not day of. It nearly worked. Since my CO2 concentration was too low, it was obviously not instantaneous and pretty physically distressing, but in a few...

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Examples of committed suicides:

Suicide by plastic bag suffocation combined with the mixture of citric acid and baking soda in an adolescent | 10.1007/s00414-018-1856-y_Science Hub

tesble.com

Sci-Net: A forensic autopsy case of suicide using baking soda and citric acid in a bathtub

Suicide by carbon dioxide | 10.1016/j.forsciint.2013.05.013_Science Hub

tesble.com

Three Cases of Suicide Using Dry Ice

kjlm.or.kr

At the moment, CO is my preferred method, but realise that it is difficult to pull off successfully.

My first-line method is asphyxiation with N₂O (similar to the technique of this user). It may be less reliable than poisoning by high concentrations of CO, but it's much easier to execute.

 

[TooMuchHasHappened]

Thanks for all that, took me well over an hour to get through it all with all those links, very interesting and informative. You've clearly spent a lot of time and put in a lot of effort into all this. I appreciate your response and for providing all those links. I can see you've also been very active in other threads too, and it's absolutely clear you've done tons of research on this topic.

My first-line method is asphyxiation with N₂O (similar to the technique of this user). It may be less reliable than poisoning by high concentrations of CO, but it's much easier to execute

Do you know if the user in this link was successful or not? I realise that people may assume they were successful if they've not been heard from again, but as I'm sure you know, there's no guarantee that that's the case. With these gaseous methods, one could suffer major consequences of an unsuccessful attempt, like brain damage for example, and depending on the severity of that, they may have been left incapacitated.

My main concern with all these gaseous methods (when I read things like "usually" and "may" and "almost", from the studies you cited) is that it seems like there are possibilities that things could go wrong, and if they do, there could be serious consequences, like the aforementioned brain damage for example, something that personally I do not want to risk.

You are, without doubt, very well informed on this subject and I'm sure you've taken everything into consideration in choosing your first-line method.

It's definitely something I'm now considering, with the information you've provided. This is exactly why I joined this site, to learn from people like yourself, so thank you.

It's funny, because in my various careers in both surface and sub-surface engineering, as well as in the military, I've had plentiful access to many of those gasses you've mentioned, I just wasn't suicidal when I was working.

Now, I think, although I'm not certain, that He would be the most accessible. As I'm sure you know, it's used for blowing up balloons, so on that basis one would assume it's the most accessible, it's just whether it's pure or not, something tells me it may not be (for obvious safety purposes), I'll have to look into that.

Thanks again, cheers for that

 

[Intoxicated]

Do you know if the user in this link was successful or not?

I don't know whether that user succeeded.

My main concern with all these gaseous methods (when I read things like "usually" and "may" and "almost", from the studies you cited) is that it seems like there are possibilities that things could go wrong, and if they do, there could be serious consequences, like the aforementioned brain damage for example, something that personally I do not want to risk.

100% safety doesn't exist, no matter what we do. Even if we don't try to commit suicide, a lot of bad things can potentially happen to us:

www.instagram.com/reel/DTpJjEmEaTK/
www.instagram.com/reel/DWJbmFoiDeG/
www.instagram.com/reel/DUxlmkcjQLG/
www.reddit.com/r/TerrifyingAsFuck/comments/wpo5fh/on_june_12th_2012_on_a_highway_in_the_rostov/

If absolutely fail-safe CTB method existed, we would still had non-zero chances of becoming injured and incapacitated due to some extraordinary event happened shortly before the planned CTB attempt.

Trying to find a risk-free method is futile; trying to reduce the risks of failure with negative consequences to some acceptable degree is what makes sense. It's also worth noting that sometimes protection measurements produce their own specific risks. For example (unrelated to suicide), restraining yourself by a seatbelt in a car reduces your ability to dodge from flying bricks (as shown in the last video).

 

[TooMuchHasHappened]

100% safety doesn't exist, no matter what we do. Even if we don't try to commit suicide, a lot of bad things can potentially happen to us:

Absolutely agree with you on this, sorry if it came across otherwise. Personally, I just don't want to chance a method that could result in something like brain damage, and not get the job done. Other issues may be worth the risk, however, I think it would be prudent to still consider the risk to reward ratio of those risks. Personally, I would not select any method where there's a chance of me surviving but with brain damage that would incapacitate me, it's just not worth the risk for me (and I'm fully aware of the consequences for a family, believe me). I'm already in a bad enough situation, and there's no way I'm going to risk something like that knowing what the consequences would mean for my family. In fact, many people would never forgive me for putting my family in a situation like that. My best friends cousin (only 17 at the time) was in a serious RTA about 20 years ago now, he has been in a vegetative state ever since, so I'm well aware of what something like that does to those left behind. So again, I could not risk doing something like that to my family.

Also, thanks for those links, but i don't have instagram, however I know all too well of the endless amount of bad things that can happen to us. I actually have PTSD from some of the things that have happened to me, and have over 30 scars to show for it. I've actually only got one limb that's not been damaged and/or operated on (15 surgeries), that's why I'm on this site. I've also seen many horrific things in my civil and military careers.

If absolutely fail-safe CTB method existed, we would still had non-zero chances of becoming injured and incapacitated due to some extraordinary event happened shortly before the planned CTB attempt.

There are, in my opinion, many fail-safe CTB methods actually, some of which I could achieve no problem. To my knowledge, getting hit by a high speed train has a zero percent chance of survival, as does skydiving and not pulling the chute. I'm sure there are many more examples too. However, the only reason why these are not an option for me is because I want to avoid, as much as possible, causing trauma to others. If I didn't care about the trauma to others using those methods, and wasn't bothered about leaving an intact body behind for my family, then I wouldn't even be on this site, as I'd have jumped in front of a train a long time ago. I live literally a 5 min walk away from a train station where high speed trains fly through every hour. In the U.K. at certain times and at certain stations, trains do not slow down, passing through at 125mph. There is no way anyone would survive that. I've been so tempted many times, times when my frustration with my situation and my chronic pain has been unbearable.

It's funny, because in many of the careers I've had over the years, I've actually had to be careful to NOT DIE, as they've been so hazardous. I could have killed myself very easily every single day. And now, here I am, finding it hard TO DIE, well to die under the aforementioned conditions. I'll figure out the right method for me soon enough, that's why I'm here.

 

[squiddedoutt]

If absolutely fail-safe CTB method existed, we would still had non-zero chances of becoming injured and incapacitated due to some extraordinary event happened shortly before the planned CTB attempt.

Trying to find a risk-free method is futile; trying to reduce the risks of failure with negative consequences to some acceptable degree is what makes sense.

I agree with the fact that every method comes with some chance of failure, be it before during or after. That's a fancy way of saying 'anything could technically happen', but its true.

It sounds like you've been through a hell of a time so far, I hope you can find what you want.

 

[Intoxicated]

There are, in my opinion, many fail-safe CTB methods actually, some of which I could achieve no problem. To my knowledge, getting hit by a high speed train has a zero percent chance of survival

I can imagine multiple scenarios where you end up with non-fatal injuries:

• for some reason you change your mind when the train is close and you try to leave the track, but you don't do this fast enough to avoid a collision with some part of your body;
• some random savior decides to rescue you, he grabs your hand and pulls you out of the track, but a non-fatal collision with the train nevertheless takes place (similarly to the scenario above);
• the overhead line breaks for some reason, and the contact wire falls somewhere near you, causing a non-fatal electrical trauma, then it touches one of the rails, causing short circuit, which triggers the protection at the power station, which automatically switches the power off, and after that the train doesn't reach you.

as does skydiving and not pulling the chute.

Unless some unplanned disaster happens before you reach that high altitude.

The practical approach implies dividing risks into negligible/insignificant and significant rather than non-existing and existing. Whether a CTB method is sufficiently reliable depends on where you draw the line between insignificant and significant probabilities of failure.

 

[TooMuchHasHappened]

I can imagine multiple scenarios where you end up with non-fatal injuries:

• for some reason you change your mind when the train is close and you try to leave the track, but you don't do this fast enough to avoid a collision with some part of your body;

Yes ok, that is a possibility. I'm surprised you would describe such a scenario because that literally forms part of the definition of Survival Instinct, something you said in a previous post that you didn't believe in and that someone with a strong desire to die should be able to overcome, the latter of which I agree with by the way. But personally, I do believe in SI, especially when someone doesn't want to die, because I've personally experienced it many times in my life as I've been very close to death many times (long before I was suicidal).

some random savior decides to rescue you, he grabs your hand and pulls you out of the track, but a non-fatal collision with the train nevertheless takes place (similarly to the scenario above);

There would be no possibility of this as I wouldn't have done it when anyone else was around (not that I would use this method anyway, for the reasons I've previously mentioned), the station would be closed but accessible, hence why the trains would be passing through at 125mph.

the overhead line breaks for some reason, and the contact wire falls somewhere near you, causing a non-fatal electrical trauma, then it touches one of the rails, causing short circuit, which triggers the protection at the power station, which automatically switches the power off, and after that the train doesn't reach you.

Sorry but I've got to LMAO at this one, it sounds like a scenario from the Final Destination films back in the early 2000's.
Made me chuckle imagining that. But anyway, there are no power lines, it's a diesel only line.

But look, I get the point you're making. That at a specific time, at a specific place, on a specific day, there's ALWAYS a possibility, no matter how unlikely, that something unforeseen could occur, resulting in things going wrong, and I agree with you on that.

It seems so difficult to die in a humane way (unless I'm missing something), without causing unnecessary trauma to others, and/or without a body that's messed up. It seems like dying in one's sleep is the only way to tick all those boxes, as even with most gases (apart from CO and maybe some others I'm not aware of) it would not a humane death.

 

[Intoxicated]

I'm surprised you would describe such a scenario because that literally forms part of the definition of Survival Instinct

Why survival instinct? Why not divine intervention? ) Some believer could tell you that the god himself alters your mind, forcing you to abort your CTB attempt. And your hesitation to CTB could be presented as a "proof" that divine intervention exists. But if you think about this critically, you can notice that the theory about divine intervention cannot be actually proven just by the fact that some existing phenomenon fits in it. Same for survival instinct. Your desire to escape the collision with the train can be determined by some third cause that is neither survival instinct nor divine intervention.

This third cause may be striving for comfort. The approaching train causes some psychological discomfort, and striving for comfort motivates you to resolve this discomfort somehow. Striving for comfort ≠ survival instinct. This inequality can be easily demonstrated on examples of self-destructive behavior: suicide due to striving for comfort makes perfect sense - death can be viewed as a transition from a less comfortable state (unpleasant life) to a more comfortable state (non-existence), whereas suicide due to survival instinct is nonsensical; taking heroin (while knowing that some day this habit may kill you) due to striving for comfort makes sense, taking heroin due to survival instinct is nonsensical.

It seems so difficult to die in a humane way (unless I'm missing something), without causing unnecessary trauma to others, and/or without a body that's messed up. It seems like dying in one's sleep is the only way to tick all those boxes, as even with most gases (apart from CO and maybe some others I'm not aware of) it would not a humane death.

Focusing on humane ways is a sign that your life is not bad enough yet for craving death so much that dying in a comfortable manner would have little to no importance for you.

 

[TooMuchHasHappened]

We clearly have different perspectives on many things, and that's okay, but I'm sensing that you will always come up with things that could go wrong, no matter how extremely unlikely they are to occur. To say in your previous post that there's a chance that the overhead wire could break etc etc etc, as an example of something that could go wrong in a method like that, is absurd quite frankly (no offence, i don't know how else to describe it).

There's probably more chance of winning the lottery than for the chain of events you described, on that day, at that time, and at that place, ever occurring (if such a method was attempted on an electrified line that is). It's unrealistic to even suggest that that's a possibility. If we use that way of thinking, then we could literally go on and on and on, and consider all kinds of extremely unlikely scenarios, there would be endless possibilities. Whilst I encourage everyone to consider things that could go wrong in an attempt, there's a difference between realistic and ridiculous, and personally i only want to consider the realistic, because as I said, one could literally go on for ever thinking of all kinds improbable things that could go wrong.

Focusing on humane ways is a sign that your life is not bad enough yet for craving death so much that dying in a comfortable manner would have little to no importance for you.

I'm very disappointed that you have said this, and that you obviously think this way. Saying to me, or anybody else for that matter, that focusing on a humane way of dying "is a sign that your life is not bad enough to crave death" is very insensitive and disrespectful. We all have our own perspectives on our personal circumstances, and for our reasons for being here. Your circumstances could be worse than mine, I don't know, and that's why I would never say such a thing to you or anybody else on here.

Believe me, and i thought that this would have come across in the things I've said up to now about my circumstances (even though I've only mentioned the tip of the iceberg), I've got more than enough reasons to want to die (maybe 40-50 reasons actually, one reason is enough for some people), so I think that more than qualifies me as someone whose life is "bad enough to crave death".

To say that by focusing on a humane way of dying (which personally is out of consideration for others, as I've already mentioned in my reasons for not using a train), suggests that mine or anybody else's life cannot be bad enough to want to die, is very narrow minded to say the least. So, because I care about the impact that an inhumane death would have on others, mine or anybody's else's life can't be bad enough to want to die? That is what your comment says, unless I'm misunderstanding something?

Also, there will be some people who want to die in a humane way because they don't want to suffer personally in their final moments, even though their pain is already unbearable and too much for them to carry on. They may be scared of the unknown and about what's going to happen to them. I'm sure this will be a real concern for some people, as they don't actually want to do such a thing to themselves or their loved ones, they just can't live with their suffering any longer. Is it wrong that someone who's been suffering for so long and who's about to end their life, should want to do so without any additional suffering? Because that's what your comment suggests. If we, and I'm assuming all of us suicidal individuals do, believe that we should have the right to decide if we live or die, then equally we should have the right to decide that we don't want to suffer in the process of dying.

I want for everyone to be able die in a humane way, even if they personally aren't bothered about that. Why? Because I care about others, because any death will obviously have a negative impact on others to some extent, and the more inhumane that death is, the more of a negative impact it will have on those who have to deal with it. Also (and this is just me having compassion), the thought of anybody having to suffer any more pain or discomfort in their final moments, especially considering that they've already suffered so much, and the whole reason they're about to commit suicide is because of their pain and suffering, makes me very sad indeed. And this is coming from someone who was once part of one of the most elite military units in the U.K, and who used to be a very tough guy (not anymore I may add, I'm a shadow of my former self). Personally, I am not worried about suffering in my final moments, the amount of pain and suffering I've already had to endure in my life would be nothing in comparison, believe me.

Just because somebody does not want to experience any additional pain or discomfort in their final moments, it does not mean that their life "can't be that bad", or that their reasons for wanting to die are not valid. As I said before, many people may be afraid of the unknown and how much pain and discomfort they're going to go through, so may want a more humane way for that reason. You are not it their shoes, and you do not know how they are feeling. We are all different, and all feel differently about the life we're living and how we want to end it.

Anyway, no hard feelings, I don't want to fall out with you or anything, you seem like a nice guy, I just wanted to make it absolutely clear why you, or anybody else, should not say, or even suggest, something like that to a suicidal person, as it's very insensitive. I hope you realise that you made a mistake, and that's okay, we all make them. I've said many things over the years that I shouldn't have, or didn't realise how the things I said came across, and it took for someone else to point out to me why I shouldn't have said those things. I've replied to your comment in the way that I have done so that if anyone else reads it they'll maybe be more mindful of the things they say too.

Remember everyone, you never know who will read your comment and what effect it'll have on them, or how they'll interpret it. For that reason, and in my opinion, it is good practice to use unambiguous language (however I realise that many on here are not native English speakers, so that may be challenging for some). We're all on here because we feel very bad about ourselves and our lives etc (to put it mildly) so let's no make anyone feel even worse than they already do.