It's not the end

[Space Cadet]

I been to afraid to CTB as I've been lead to believe by friends I trust that it's not the end. That our physical lives are just one part of experiences we are to learn lessons from and if you CTB you get a more miserable life to learn lessons from. This scares me.

 

[Cutepoison]

I've been told similar things but I dunno, I doubt it because I'm always thinking - before i was born, there was nothing. So hopefully there's nothing once we check out. But even so, small part of me is so scared that some bs happens when we die ..

 

[InTheAirTonight]

Learn lessons for what? What is the end goal?

 

[terry_a_davis]

I been to afraid to CTB as I've been lead to believe by friends I trust that it's not the end. That our physical lives are just one part of experiences we are to learn lessons from and if you CTB you get a more miserable life to learn lessons from. This scares me.

Do you or them have any verifiable proof of this? Imo it's untrue.

 

[Space Cadet]

No proof - just my belief in the individuals that have told me such. I've been lead to believe physical existence is just a small part of life and our true life is a spiritual energy that learns lessons in differing physical lives. Just most of us don't remember any of our past lives or experiences. This sounds so crazy and a few years ago I wouldn't have believed in such but just the similar teachings I'm gleaning from 4 different individuals all with similar beliefs and such.

 

[idontwannadothisanym]

No proof - just my belief in the individuals that have told me such. I've been lead to believe physical existence is just a small part of life and our true life is a spiritual energy that learns lessons in differing physical lives. Just most of us don't remember any of our past lives or experiences. This sounds so crazy and a few years ago I wouldn't have believed in such but just the similar teachings I'm gleaning from 4 different individuals all with similar beliefs and such.

PM

 

[Yomyom]

When it comes to a discussion on the after life I love what terence mckenna said-
"The fact of the matter is, nobody knows what's going on, Nobody has the faintest idea, the best guesses are lies, you may be sure of it."

And of course the opinion of Alan Watts (he wasn't an atheist but he didn't believe there is an after life)

 

[PrettyMoose]

That sounds like karma mixed with reincarnation. I find it hard to believe that someone would be punished for suicide. Would Robin Williams and Adolf Hitler both get a similar afterlife just because they both killed themselves? That would be ridiculous.

 

[Space Cadet]

Queen Bodica commited suicide to - I was lead to believe she got an abusive husband in her next life. Hitlers not been reborn yet as its not instant. No clue about Robin Williams. Why did he CBT, I don't recall now?

 

[mpnf]

Queen Bodica commited suicide to - I was lead to believe she got an abusive husband in her next life. Hitlers not been reborn yet as its not instant. No clue about Robin Williams. Why did he CBT, I don't recall now?

I have similar beliefs as yours from different sources. But why do you say if Hitler has been reborn or not? That is impossible to know for sure...

Ps: I'm scared of the afterlife too. Why do we have to feel hopeless and scared in both existences, this ans the other? It's not right, let alone fair.

 

[last_tour]

Thats really just one belief though.. theres been loads of theories about the after life throughout history. In buddhism it specifically teaches how to escape reincarnation and the cycle of suffering. In later buddhism theres practices like sokushinjoubutsu and in yoga there is mahasamadhi. Both could be considered suicide by modern standards, so we can't really say suicide means we're going straight to hell, it could mean we are deciding its time to leave this life because continuing would be problematic . But i just think there is just no way our human minds in the current state can comprehend the after life like if a dog were to try to understand human life. Maybe we'll go some place but it won't be the heaven or hell as humans try to make it out to be.

 

[bpdandme]

There is truly no way to know, I am petrified of death and as soon as I am with peace with it I will ctb. I am so scared I am just going to be left with my mind in a constant nightmare. Sometimes I think I am meant to kill myself.

 

[Space Cadet]

I am scared too - my friend who I believe knows much on this subject of afterlife - what happens when you die - responded to me today to tell me more about what to expect if I do it.

Cut and pasted from his messages to me:

a trained person yes, but you are not trained, and almost surely in a complete panic-state when you notice that you are not at peace as you seem to think you will be, because of the state you have then left the material world. So, not able to handle the state you are then in plus not being trained in how to communicate or even to move, you will not be able to communicate for a few years, if at all. Since you are often stating how you are so weak-willed, it might take you much much longer than just a few years.

I am not warning you for nothing ****.

You dont know yet all the dangers in the spirit-realms. It is not a civilised area, and not just for humans. There are all sorts of energetic creatures there, sentient and otherwise, well-meaning and otherwise, too many options to mention.

Most that do this suicide you wish for, do not make it in time and in good state to the light that some species talk about, because of several reasons. Most of those reasons come down to apathy, fear of the unknown, or plain simple confusion.

When one is not ready to leave the material world yet, then one is often also not ready to leave that world fully behind, and then things can go horribly wrong in the spirit world.

I will leave these words here for you to comtemplate. Do with it what you must.

 

[NoDream]

I am scared too - my friend who I believe knows much on this subject of afterlife - what happens when you die - responded to me today to tell me more about what to expect if I do it.

Cut and pasted from his messages to me:

Your "friend" does not sound well. I would keep my distance if i were you.

I have died or almost died a couple of times, and i can promise you, i did NOT see any spirits or anything.
No one of those i have spoken to have seen anything while they were dead, no one.

And more experience than that is impossible to get.

 

[InTheAirTonight]

I am scared too - my friend who I believe knows much on this subject of afterlife - what happens when you die - responded to me today to tell me more about what to expect if I do it.

Cut and pasted from his messages to me:

I don't know what to say but I feel sorry for your friend

 

[ThisIsIt]

The end of what? You are the universe. You're the direct result of everything that's happened since the beginning of existence; everything is.

You're no different than that ant you squashed. You're no different than the dead cow in your quarter pounder.

Do you think ants learn life lessons? Or, do they just try and consume as much shit as physically possible before they die?

 

[Yomyom]

The end of what? You are the universe. You're the direct result of everything that's happened since the beginning of existence; everything is.

You're no different than that ant you squashed. You're no different than the dead cow in your quarter pounder.

Do you think ants learn life lessons? Or, do they just try and consume as much shit as physically possible before they die?

I love Pantheism so much

 

[a.n.kirillov]

Even if that was the case, what makes you think that (you) killing yourself (in your particular circumstances) would be punished and not rewarded?

 

[eksded]

Life is evil and we should celebrate it's ending.

 

[Secrets1]

Even if that was the case, what makes you think that (you) killing yourself (in your particular circumstances) would be punished and not rewarded?

theoretically your suicide would cause unplanned life suffering in those left behind on earth and you must experience that suffering in another human life or the spirit form to achieve balance and necessary growth.

The flip side of the argument is if you've learned necessary lessons for this lifetime, possibly through painful experiences or simply over time, then suicide is an appropriate act. As a just act, the pain or suffering it inflicts in others serves to teach them lessons about the value of appreciation and life.

Regardless, it still supports trying to find more when things are tough unless you have minimal options remaining for growth. So does the prevalence of survival instinct when relating the body with soul.


I believe in aspects of this line of thought but the evidence for its authenticity imo really comes from mediums, who by most accounts live extremely chaotic lives and receive messages from beyond in more vague terms than specific which requires interpretation. While believing in that stuff, it seems foolish to imagine one person or group has the details figured out in such a precise way. I've followed in the footsteps of "enlightened folk" only to see how much growth they truly have left to do once getting a closer look. Along these lines, from a big picture view different religions have far more things in common than what sets them apart.

 

[toomuchtimetodie]

People spreading this shit is naughty. There's enough of us paranoid about this type of thing in our own right without other people saying it's fact.
THERES NO WAY OF PROVING OR KNOWING ANYTHING.

 

[NothingElseMatters]

Your "friend" does not sound well. I would keep my distance if i were you.

I have died or almost died a couple of times, and i can promise you, i did NOT see any spirits or anything.
No one of those i have spoken to have seen anything while they were dead, no one.

And more experience than that is impossible to get.

Can you tell me more about your almost dead experience?

 

[a.n.kirillov]

theoretically your suicide would cause unplanned life suffering in those left behind on earth and you must experience that suffering in another human life or the spirit form to achieve balance and necessary growth.

The flip side of the argument is if you've learned necessary lessons for this lifetime, possibly through painful experiences or simply over time, then suicide is an appropriate act. As a just act, the pain or suffering it inflicts in others serves to teach them lessons about the value of appreciation and life.

Regardless, it still supports trying to find more when things are tough unless you have minimal options remaining for growth. So does the prevalence of survival instinct when relating the body with soul.


I believe in aspects of this line of thought but the evidence for its authenticity imo really comes from mediums, who by most accounts live extremely chaotic lives and receive messages from beyond in more vague terms than specific which requires interpretation. While believing in that stuff, it seems foolish to imagine one person or group has the details figured out in such a precise way. I've followed in the footsteps of "enlightened folk" only to see how much growth they truly have left to do once getting a closer look. Along these lines, from a big picture view different religions have far more things in common than what sets them apart.

From mediums, aha.

I would much rather believe that if you kill yourself you won the game, the earlier, the better. If you cling to life you will be laughed at in heaven. They even have a Highscore in heaven for the earliest suicides.
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God also killed himself btw. Since he is all powerful, he could have stopped people from crucifying him, but he didn't. It was preordained even, and he is the one who preordained all things, so we have to call Jesus' death a suicide imo.

 

[NoDream]

Can you tell me more about your almost dead experience?

I once drowned when i was a toddler. When i was five i almost died twice, in meningitis and
suffocation ( suicide attempt ).

Several times i almost died in Streptococcus .
I lived in an abusive home and i belive my brain tried to off me :)
As an adult i suffocated on peanuts and died for a very short while.

But its like when you get anesthesia, nothing happens, no voices, no light, no tunnel, absolutely nothing.