TAW122
Emissary of the right to die.
- Aug 30, 2018
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As someone who is an atheist, meaning I don't believe in any god(s), this would be of no concern to me. However, playing devil's advocate, this is a topic that I pondered about and I would be interested in seeing others' thought processes as well as sharing my own. So with that said, to briefly answer the question of this thread, I would rather go to Hell because there is no greater insult than to be with the same people (the pro-lifers) who in a previous life (on Earth) prevented me from leaving on my own terms and imposed non-consensual continued sentience for their own gain, at the cost of my free will and wishes.
I will assume the following conditions:
So regarding the question "Why would I rather go to Hell than Heaven if there is an afterlife, specifically?" I would rather go to Hell than Heaven because from a fundamental level, I would not wish to become sycophantic and blindly as well as blissfully follow some God indefinitely, losing all free will and independence. Now this is just the first layer of my reasoning. The next one is more related to justice and righteousness. Back on Earth, in our reality, there are situations where justice is not rendered appropriately or delivered for the matter, thus the responsible party is not held accountable and gets away with their crime, harm. They get to live a good life, on (mostly) their own terms while the person harmed suffered until death. So the next reason would be the question of "would you feel comfortable or even enjoy being in the company of people who have treated you poorly, imposed their will upon you, got away with the harm and escaped rightful justice (while on Earth)?" Personally, I would say no, I would not be ok with that (though I would lack the capacity to comprehend that, presuming that free will and independence is stripped from all post-sentient beings in Heaven). I would certainly not even wish to be in their presence nor share the same plane with my tormentors, let alone an indefinite or rather eternal time-frame (beyond the scope of time itself) with these post-sentient beings. It would be like having villains and criminals enjoying a good life in prison while the victim (outside of prison) suffered until death.
So in Hell (again assuming the conditions mentioned previously) at least I would have free will and the independence to do what I intend to do. It may be a separation from God, but that's fine because I would not wish to be a non-thinking individual, sycophant worshiping God for all eternity, not even aware of my lack of independence. Furthermore, assuming that most (not all) pro-lifers are in Heaven, and I'm in Hell, at least I won't have to be aware of their existence and they may lack free will while I have it for eternity. As for the tormentors that also did not make it to Heaven, then at least in Hell, I have an eternity to seek justice and get even against my tormentors that I lacked the chance to while on Earth. Most importantly, in Hell I would at least be able to exercise my rights be independent, not ruled nor governed by a God.
I get there will be an argument stating that but you are cutting your nose off to spite your face, which is valid and true to some extent, but presuming that all the conditions and constraints as listed in this thread are true, then perhaps it might be a worse fate to exist (in some form, while sentient and aware) of not being able to do anything but experience the same joys that every other being is in Heaven. One essentially becomes a sycophant, with no free will, no perception of irrationality, pain, or anything negative. Why is this a bad thing you might ask? As mentioned before, the lack of justice and righting the wrongs (which will then never be resolved when one is in Heaven and loses all free will, independence).
So in conclusion, this is why I would rather be in Hell, than Heaven, if there exists an afterlife. What would you choose to do in such a situation, would you choose Heaven or Hell?
I will assume the following conditions:
- The religion I am referring to is that of Christianity itself.
- Heaven and Hell exists and there is indeed, an afterlife.
- No free will once in the afterlife (especially in Heaven) and is relegated to a non-thinking, non-independent individual.
- No individual identity (essentially no longer oneself, but someone/something else...)
- Pro-lifers end up in Heaven, where they are living ignorantly and blissfully, blindly following their 'God'.
- The non-believers end up Hell through eternal torment.
- In Hell, there is free will, but eternal torment beyond the scope of time.
- Some of one's tormentors (from the previous life on Earth) are in Hell.
So regarding the question "Why would I rather go to Hell than Heaven if there is an afterlife, specifically?" I would rather go to Hell than Heaven because from a fundamental level, I would not wish to become sycophantic and blindly as well as blissfully follow some God indefinitely, losing all free will and independence. Now this is just the first layer of my reasoning. The next one is more related to justice and righteousness. Back on Earth, in our reality, there are situations where justice is not rendered appropriately or delivered for the matter, thus the responsible party is not held accountable and gets away with their crime, harm. They get to live a good life, on (mostly) their own terms while the person harmed suffered until death. So the next reason would be the question of "would you feel comfortable or even enjoy being in the company of people who have treated you poorly, imposed their will upon you, got away with the harm and escaped rightful justice (while on Earth)?" Personally, I would say no, I would not be ok with that (though I would lack the capacity to comprehend that, presuming that free will and independence is stripped from all post-sentient beings in Heaven). I would certainly not even wish to be in their presence nor share the same plane with my tormentors, let alone an indefinite or rather eternal time-frame (beyond the scope of time itself) with these post-sentient beings. It would be like having villains and criminals enjoying a good life in prison while the victim (outside of prison) suffered until death.
So in Hell (again assuming the conditions mentioned previously) at least I would have free will and the independence to do what I intend to do. It may be a separation from God, but that's fine because I would not wish to be a non-thinking individual, sycophant worshiping God for all eternity, not even aware of my lack of independence. Furthermore, assuming that most (not all) pro-lifers are in Heaven, and I'm in Hell, at least I won't have to be aware of their existence and they may lack free will while I have it for eternity. As for the tormentors that also did not make it to Heaven, then at least in Hell, I have an eternity to seek justice and get even against my tormentors that I lacked the chance to while on Earth. Most importantly, in Hell I would at least be able to exercise my rights be independent, not ruled nor governed by a God.
I get there will be an argument stating that but you are cutting your nose off to spite your face, which is valid and true to some extent, but presuming that all the conditions and constraints as listed in this thread are true, then perhaps it might be a worse fate to exist (in some form, while sentient and aware) of not being able to do anything but experience the same joys that every other being is in Heaven. One essentially becomes a sycophant, with no free will, no perception of irrationality, pain, or anything negative. Why is this a bad thing you might ask? As mentioned before, the lack of justice and righting the wrongs (which will then never be resolved when one is in Heaven and loses all free will, independence).
So in conclusion, this is why I would rather be in Hell, than Heaven, if there exists an afterlife. What would you choose to do in such a situation, would you choose Heaven or Hell?
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