I Don’t See Why There Is Such A Big Fuss To Not Traumatize Prople On This Forum

[Draconian Alone]

It's plain and simple. People have a right to live, so they should have a right to die. No matter their reason, age, or how much their "loved ones" bitch and moan about it.

And besides, it seems like whenever people are scared of "traumatizing" people with their suicides, it's either someone who knows them or some random. I'll go over why both avenues are ridiculous as hell.

First off, the ones who know us. Let's be brutally honest, the people with suicidal thoughts here most likely don't have anyone worth postponing their suicide for, the people they're stalling for are shitty to them and aren't worth it, or the people the people they're staying for are brainwashed sheeple who would happily catch them and hospitalize them, leading to their continued misery on this earth. Usually it's a combination of all three. Either way, they're not worth living for, and if they are shook by your exit through the back door, they'll get over it pretty quickly, or never cared that much in the first place, or deserve to feel the hurt from their absence. Moving on.

The randoms. I don't even know why this has to be a discussion. It pisses me off so damn much to see others on this forum hem and haw about people they don't know being traumatized by their death, whether it be seeing our deaths or the aftermath of it. First off, they're normies. They're the enemy. They would march for our continued suffering in psych wards and everyday life any day of the week. They don't care for us. Were the undesirables, the freaks, the people they secretly think should kick the bucket but are too scared to say it out loud.

 

[copioushopelessness]

There's only two innocent people I'd worry about traumatizing. Otherwise screw everyone else, they didn't care about me.

 

[prisonerofexistence]

Totally agree,i remember wanting to ctb before coming home from med school knowing that it won't go well at home which turns out to be true and I ended up in a psych ward 3 days after coming home,one of the worst experience in my life (and that was 3 month ago).

 

[mysticatedwine]

i have people i hold dear to my heart, that love me a lot and that wish the best for me, and i'm still seriously suicidal. i do not believe i am alone in this scenario. your assumption doesn't hold up to the nuances of reality and is only rooted in your perception of it.

your second point has the same issue of only being rooted in your perception of reality. there are clear reasons for me to be suicidal in my life, and i know for sure that my problem isn't the random-ahh truck driver or hotel cleaning lady that would find my corpse if i were to commit suicide. i do not think the "world" in all its layers is the problem, nor do i see what you call "normies" as my enemy. i do not wish to inflict any trauma or suffering on them, i want to leave this world with the tenderness that i didn't get in my life.

tldr:

 

[moribundwhispers]

There's only two innocent people I'd worry about traumatizing. Otherwise screw everyone else, they didn't care about me.

it's the same for me

 

[kilowatt]

That's because you're selfish. It's the only your reality you consider to be true. You can't really speak for the rest.

I get where you're coming from but that's simply not how the world works, I also care very little about ''inflicting trauma'' onto others but that doesn't mean it's the way to go. Your reasoning is purely subjective.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Because some of us care about those around us.

First off, the ones who know us. Let's be brutally honest, the people with suicidal thoughts here most likely don't have anyone worth postponing their suicide for, the people they're stalling for are shitty to them and aren't worth it, or the people the people they're staying for are brainwashed sheeple who would happily catch them and hospitalize them, leading to their continued misery on this earth. Usually it's a combination of all three. Either way, they're not worth living for, and if they are shook by your exit through the back door, they'll get over it pretty quickly, or never cared that much in the first place, or deserve to feel the hurt from their absence. Moving on.

I have many people in life for whom I have to postpone my suicide. Plenty of others on this site have talked about being in similar situations. Just because you don't give a shit about others doesn't mean that is the case for everyone. Seems as though you are just projecting, tbh. And no, most people don't get over suicide that easily. There have even been members who signed up here specifically because they couldn't bear going on as a result of the pain of losing a loved one to suicide.

The randoms. I don't even know why this has to be a discussion. It pisses me off so damn much to see others on this forum hem and haw about people they don't know being traumatized by their death, whether it be seeing our deaths or the aftermath of it. First off, they're normies. They're the enemy. They would march for our continued suffering in psych wards and everyday life any day of the week. They don't care for us. Were the undesirables, the freaks, the people they secretly think should kick the bucket but are too scared to say it out loud.

First off, "normies" don't fucking exist. It's just a term that boring people use because they want to feel special and better than others, even though they aren't. Secondly, even if "normies" did exist, why does that matter? Are those around you just emotionless NPCs or something? Some of us don't want to risk traumatizing others, especially since most people have their own shit that they have to deal with and the trauma of finding a dead body is just going to make things worse for them. I know this may shock you, but some of us understand that life is full of suffering for many and we don't want to have to further contribute to the suffering of others. Hell, who is to say that one of the people who might come across your dead body isn't going to be one of the undesirable freaks you seem to have such a boner for? Do you want them to suffer more because of your lack of ability to think of anyone outside of yourself?

You genuinely come off as an incredibly spoiled person who never had to think about anyone other than yourself growing up. I'm sorry if this may shock you, but most of us care about those around us in some capacity.

 

[iamanavalanche]

i dont see people who arent suicidal as enemies. theyre just more fortunate than us and that doesnt mean they deserve to be traumatised too

 

[EvisceratedJester]

i dont see people who arent suicidal as enemies. theyre just more fortunate than us and that doesnt mean they deserve to be traumatised too

Being suicidal =/= whether or not you are more fortunate than others. There are some people who have gone through horrific shit in life but who have never experienced being suicidal before. Meanwhile, there are people who are incredibly fortunate in life who do experience suicidal ideation. Being suicidal is more complex than whether or not you are fortunate in life. I would say that my life has been fine for the most part and that I have had a pretty fortunate life, yet I've wanted to die since childhood.

 

[nool]

Everyone here is fighting their own battle. No two people have the same life experiences. I'm of the belief that it's up to you and you alone to decide who you're okay with finding you. If you don't care either way? Awesome. If you want to avoid strangers/friends/family/whatever and let the professionals handle your death, that's cool too. I fully agree with some of the things other people have brought up in this thread. Everything is subjective. Everyone will have different thoughts and opinions. You're allowed to be annoyed that people constantly discuss it but you should just ignore it. I understand how you feel, but that's just how you feel.

Anyways, that's just my poorly articulated two cents.

TLDR: ctb and let ctb (lol)

 

[iamanavalanche]

Being suicidal =/= whether or not you are more fortunate than others. There are some people who have gone through horrific shit in life but who have never experienced being suicidal before. Meanwhile, there are people who are incredibly fortunate in life who do experience suicidal ideation. Being suicidal is more complex than whether or not you are fortunate in life. I would say that my life has been fine for the most part and that I have had a pretty fortunate life, yet I've wanted to die since childhood.

its more fortunate to have the want and desire to continue living life than having suicidal ideation. i promise, im v well aware of the complexities of being suicidal since i have been all my life paha

 

[fkyou]

On this site you will find all types of stupid takes..it turned into another social media platform where people love to hear themselves talk. It's the same old problem with social media.

 

[TBONTB]

There's only two innocent people I'd worry about traumatizing. Otherwise screw everyone else, they didn't care about me.

Your heart is hurting.

 

[kilowatt]

I know this may shock you, but some of us understand that life is full of suffering for many and we don't want to have to further contribute to the suffering of others. Hell, who is to say that one of the people who might come across your dead body isn't going to be one of the undesirable freaks you seem to have such a boner for? Do you want them to suffer more because of your lack of ability to think of anyone outside of yourself?

Well said

 

[copioushopelessness]

Your heart is hurting.

My heart is hurting quite literally. Multiple abornomal ekgs and results to the holter monitor I had to wear for a few days came in today. Everything is hurting. It's either wait for the inevitable or take this into my own hands.

 

[TBONTB]

My heart is hurting quite literally. Multiple abornomal ekgs and results to the holter monitor I had to wear for a few days came in today. Everything is hurting. It's either wait for the inevitable or take this into my own hands.

Oh no. Did you review the results by yourself or with a doctor? I know how crazy it is to look at test results.

Does your heart literally hurt? Or is it more like shortness of breath, fatigue.

I hope you can find a path forward that works for you. We have different kinds of despair.

 

[copioushopelessness]

Oh no. Did you review the results by yourself or with a doctor? I know how crazy it is to look at test results.

Does your heart literally hurt? Or is it more like shortness of breath, fatigue.

I hope you can find a path forward that works for you. We have different kinds of despair.

I reviewed it with my doctor but I hate her so much.

It's sharp pain but also fatigue and shortness of breath.

Oh no. Did you review the results by yourself or with a doctor? I know how crazy it is to look at test results.

Does your heart literally hurt? Or is it more like shortness of breath, fatigue.

I hope you can find a path forward that works for you. We have different kinds of despair.

I reviewed it with my doctor but she's a gaslighting bitch. The hospital here is a death trap. Sent me home with pericarditis and an elevated troponin level... which indicates heart failure.
it's sharp pain but I also have shortness of breath and fatigue. Seeing spots. They don't seem to care... sent my mom home with chest pain and she died that night... I feel like I'm just waiting a painful fate..
Watched a man in the waiting room having a stroke and they kept him waiting. The nurses are rude the doctors are dismissive.
Recently spent ten days in the hospital with a GI bleed. Took going to the er three times until they finally took me seriously for that at least. Ended up bleeding on the floor because they weren't checking the toilet. They gave me NSAIDS which only make people with my condition worse.
I hate myself for getting rid of my painkillers.. I would've taken them all if I had known the hospital would keep dismissing me...
Years of being offered psyche meds and being told I'm "non-compliant" I finally complied and ended up in a much worse condition... the drug my doctor gave me is quite literally poison. Doctors here are killing more people than they are curing...
Sorry for ranting, but if I can warn anyone of the dangers of psyche meds, please you're probably better off without them... they caused me to have a swollen pancreas and a bad heart..

 

[TBONTB]

I reviewed it with my doctor but I hate her so much.

It's sharp pain but also fatigue and shortness of breath.

I reviewed it with my doctor but she's a gaslighting bitch. The hospital here is a death trap. Sent me home with pericarditis and an elevated troponin level... which indicates heart failure.
it's sharp pain but I also have shortness of breath and fatigue. Seeing spots. They don't seem to care... sent my mom home with chest pain and she died that night... I feel like I'm just waiting a painful fate..
Watched a man in the waiting room having a stroke and they kept him waiting. The nurses are rude the doctors are dismissive.
Recently spent ten days in the hospital with a GI bleed. Took going to the er three times until they finally took me seriously for that at least. Ended up bleeding on the floor because they weren't checking the toilet. They gave me NSAIDS which only make people with my condition worse.
I hate myself for getting rid of my painkillers.. I would've taken them all if I had known the hospital would keep dismissing me...
Years of being offered psyche meds and being told I'm "non-compliant" I finally complied and ended up in a much worse condition... the drug my doctor gave me is quite literally poison. Doctors here are killing more people than they are curing...
Sorry for ranting, but if I can warn anyone of the dangers of psyche meds, please you're probably better off without them... they caused me to have a swollen pancreas and a bad heart..

Wow, I am so sorry for everything you are going through, it sounds horrific. I can definitely understand the anger you are expressing here.


I know this is a rant and there's nothing really I can do but I will definitely agree you've gotten a rotten break. I hope your suffering can be relieved.

 

[copioushopelessness]

Oh no. Did you review the results by yourself or with a doctor? I know how crazy it is to look at test results.

Does your heart literally hurt? Or is it more like shortness of breath, fatigue.

I hope you can find a path forward that works for you. We have different kinds of despair.

Oh no. Did you review the results by yourself or with a doctor? I know how crazy it is to look at test results.

Does your heart literally hurt? Or is it more like shortness of breath, fatigue.

I hope you can find a path forward that works for you. We have different kinds of despair.

You seem like a very empathetic person. In a world full of apathy I truly appreciate people like you.

 

[Tord]

I always like to say if you know one suicidal person you only know one suicidal person, if you know what I mean.

No person is the same or can be, everyone's factors and backgrounds to ctb are different. Even if you meet someone where you think ''wow we have the EXACT same reasons to do this''. It will differ by at least a FEW key details... Some have people they do not want to expose to how brutally some methods can leave bodies after the fact. Some don't. The latter is me, but I do understand and respect people of the first example.

Even if death is normal and will discriminate nobody in the end.

 

[lasttogo]

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You seem like a very empathetic person. In a world full of apathy I truly appreciate people like you.

Couldn't agree more. Every comment I have seen from TBONT (sorry I am dyslexic and trying to type your name properly is giving me a headache lol) has been so kind and empathetic. This post is really unkind and even here they are being so nice.

 

[copioushopelessness]

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Couldn't agree more. Every comment I have seen from TBONT (sorry I am dyslexic and trying to type your name properly is giving me a headache lol) has been so kind and empathetic. This post is really unkind and even here they are being so nice.

Dyslexia sucks, I'm sorry I understand that too. If only I had a better situation, this person's kindness would give me a reason to keep trying, but my body has other plans. I don't like seeing people suffer. One of the many reasons life is too hard for me. It pains me immensely to see how the world has failed so many of us.

 

[EternalShore]

perhaps, we wish to care for others in spite of the lack of care we have received from others in this cruel world~ :( through pain, we have been gifted with empathy, and we may not wish for others to be forced into despair as we have~ :(

 

[copioushopelessness]

Wow, I am so sorry for everything you are going through, it sounds horrific. I can definitely understand the anger you are expressing here.


I know this is a rant and there's nothing really I can do but I will definitely agree you've gotten a rotten break. I hope your suffering can be relieved.

I have no anger left in me. Only apathy. I hope you too can find relief from your suffering. I hope we all can. No matter what that means. Everyone struggles in their own way.

 

[Ashu]

That's because you're selfish. It's the only your reality you consider to be true. You can't really speak for the rest.

I get where you're coming from but that's simply not how the world works, I also care very little about ''inflicting trauma'' onto others but that doesn't mean it's the way to go. Your reasoning is purely subjective.

He's probably just a kid. I was the same.

 

[wine is fine but]

lowering yourself to someone else's level just makes you part of the problem, no matter what side you claim to be fighting for

i cannot change the world, but the world will not change me; everyone's life is full of inconsiderate scumbags, but i will do my best not to become one of them

 

[kopebaldy]

Because they're innocences dragged into my suicide unwilling mate. Like how I was dragged into life against my will.

I may hate life but I don't hate people, well... most of them.

If I can lessen the harm, I will. It's basic courtesy.

 

[quietwoods]

Could we at least pretend we are older than 18 and not use 'sheeple' and 'normies' while advocating for suffering to be inflicted on others?

 

[TAW122]

Here is my take on the situation, but first off, I will say that you pointed out a really objective truth about the world, there is no question about that. Although I feel the similar sentiments and generally 'agree' with your points, I may have worded it a bit less harshly, just for the sake of others. So here is my take. Even though I'm pretty calculated and rational (or as much as I strive to be), I'm still bound by human nature and to an extent, some emotions (which aren't always rational) and perhaps even biological (I could be wrong?) or even socialized (throughout human life growing up), so naturally and instinctively, I have empathy so part of me wishes to avoid unnecessary trauma to others or so. Nevertheless, while I do whatever I can to minimize the collateral damage (trauma) to others, if desperate enough, as the pain outweighs the empathy and also in really tough situations, I may just act but out of desperation (again, when pain and what not outweighs the empathy). I hope I made some sense in my explanation.