Fucking wonderful: "David Suzuki says the fight against climate change is lost"

[Rounded Agony]

First: you're a climate change denier, do yourself and everyone else a favour and just fuck off preemptively. This isn't for you.
For the rest: read the whole thing here, or if that link doesn't work, try here.

Here's a lil' taste to whet your appetite:

"I've never said this before to the media, but it's too late. I say that because I go by science and Johan Rockström, the Swedish scientist who heads the Potsdam Institute, has defined nine planetary boundaries ... As long as humans, like any other animal, live within those nine constraints, we can do it forever, and that includes the amount of carbon in the atmosphere, the pH of the oceans, the amount of available fresh water, the nitrogen cycle, etc.

There are nine planetary boundaries and we've only dealt with one of them — the ozone layer — and we think we've saved ourselves from that threat. But we passed the seventh boundary this year, and we're in the extreme danger zone. Rockström says we have five years to get out of the danger zone.

If we pass one boundary, we should be shitting our pants. We've passed seven!

And, if you look at those boundaries, like the amount of carbon in the atmosphere, we've had 28 COP meetings on climate change and we haven't been able to cap emissions.

We're on our way to more than a three-degree temperature rise by the end of this century, and scientists agree we shouldn't rise above one and half degrees."

Neat example further in of the Finnish government mailing its citizens telling them to get ready for extreme weather events to get worse and more frequent, and to start planning in their communities how they're gonna survive the imminent series of shitstorms.

Sadly most of us live not in Finland, but instead in bullshit corporatocracies run by people concerned only with making as much money as possible with their fingers in their goddamn ears all the while, happy to let their citizens die if the CEOs & politicians can ride a rocket to Mars or whateverthefuck to escape what's coming (Finland is surely also shit in its own ways; I don't claim to know a damn thing other than this single example of relative rationality).

 

[Szarur-abi]

I get the climate change doomerism, it absolutely sucks but its not like we arent doing anything with it. We actually do a lot, much more than predicted in fact, and the rate of installing renewables increases expentionally year by year while wind and water energy gets cheaper year by year thus incetivising people to build it more and more despite lobbying of oil companies in the last decades. It still depresses me a lot how faster change could be if it werent enormous lobbying of oil companies. Even the biggest pollutant like China is the BIGGEST investor in clean energy currently and arent building any new coal plants, plus they aggresively push EVs etc.

Every major economy also have some form of emission trading which incestive companies to invest in clean energy and lower emissions. Europe, China, India and many other countries have their version of such system which doesnt get a lot of news headline but those are facts. USA had such system but i think Trump abolished IRA thus abonding ETS.

So in conclusion, rates of clean energy instalation increases every year.

But climate is complex science and im no at any means expert in it so for all i know we may be alright or be doomed who tf knows.

This channel made a pretty good vid addresing this topic



Also i think that what Suzuki says about economic incestives not being a tool for fighting climate change is kinda baffling. I mean, if not it then what? Change the entire economic system? I mean sure that would be great but its not realistic. Working in existing boundaries works pretty alright, emposing regulations, introducing harsher penalting for polluting and making clean energy cheaper is what works currently. And fighting with oil companies (i cant stress enought how much i hate them but it would be another essay)

also the most polluting country in europe, Poland had its first month where renewables surprassed the energy from fossil fuels and it was first time when it falled below 50% but it didnt got any headlines even locally cause talking about positives doesnt catch peoples attentions as well
In near term im afraid about certain parts of earths being uninhabitable thus causing mass migrations and thus causing unreast in already uneasy word. Like, in short term we cant stop negative trends that are already happening... And yea, long term we may be fine, just mayyyybe. Also climate change already happened, to what degree we will increase avg temps is another matter.

I may be dead and not find out if we make it out relatively fine or not

 

[Faulende Fleisch]

I don't have much to add to Szarur-abi's reply. But climate change can be "reversed". The issue is that we won't be the ones to experience it. It's a slow process. We are fucked and can only ensure the comfort of the next few generations. Just like always; humanity doing its best is not goodbut it's good enough for the gradual improvement of the world. It may not be good enough for you or me. But thats how it always worked.

 

[RadiantNumber]

Humanity at least will pay for it's crimes

 

[quietwoods]

Unfortunately concerning deniers, the majority of this forum appears to be so. Latest poll that was taken showed ~60% of people didn't believe in it or didn't care about it. Including people that identified as liberal lol.

Yay

 

[sweetreliefpls]

First: you're a climate change denier, do yourself and everyone else a favour and just fuck off preemptively. This isn't for you.
For the rest: read the whole thing here, or if that link doesn't work, try here.

Here's a lil' taste to whet your appetite:



Neat example further in of the Finnish government mailing its citizens telling them to get ready for extreme weather events to get worse and more frequent, and to start planning in their communities how they're gonna survive the imminent series of shitstorms.

Sadly most of us live not in Finland, but instead in bullshit corporatocracies run by people concerned only with making as much money as possible with their fingers in their goddamn ears all the while, happy to let their citizens die if the CEOs & politicians can ride a rocket to Mars or whateverthefuck to escape what's coming (Finland is surely also shit in its own ways; I don't claim to know a damn thing other than this single example of relative rationality).

Yeah imo humanity is fucked tbh. The earth will survive as it's a self- regulating organism so will find a new balance, but that will mean extreme weather, extreme temperatures and weather events, including extreme cold and rain/flooding as well as heat and drought. Overall the new normal will be much more hostile to the thriving of human life we've had recently. The COP system hasn't done much at all to slow fossil fuels despite years of discussions. Petrol capitalism is king.

Just today I was reading that the melting glaciers and ice will mean much more volcanic activity…and more carbon released…

A lot of these broken planetary boundaries lead to self perpetuating cycles and in fact scientists don't yet understand how they all relate and interplay with each other. So "reversing climate change" isn't at all obvious now because there are many new processes and feedback loops in play, some of which are not yet fully understood: (removed links as with them this post was modded)

Don't CTB because of this. Things are mostly bearable for now, just worsening.
But I admit for me it does kinda add to existing reasons that CTB feels possible. As the future is getting harder.