Failed N2 attempt – ripped oven bag, don't know next steps I'm not after hugs and kisses, just practical advice

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Here's what happened. Last Monday around midnight (27th), I set up my nitrogen. The plastic tubing with the oven bag and tightening cord was pre-attached. I had my phone camera overlooking my bedroom from behind the bedhead. I started the 15L/hr flow, confirmed I could hear the gas, then turned out the light (which was probably a mistake, as it would have shown everything more clearly).

The bag was rattling loudly with the gas flow. My bedroom door was partly shut because it won't close properly, and the room has high wall ventilators. I pulled the bag over my head and lay back. Next thing I knew, I woke up a couple of hours later feeling very confused. I removed everything, made breakfast for myself and my wife, and carried on with the day – but I was deeply depressed it hadn't worked.

Reviewing the video, everything is visible until I turned out the light. I heard myself moan a couple of times, then just silence with the bag rattling. The video ran for over two hours; the gas flowed for about an hour and fifteen minutes. The tank is a size D beverage bottle. Clearly there was enough residual oxygen in the room.

My lungs (I'm 83M) are only about 30% efficient, due to my past rock and roll lifestyle. I gave up smoking at 63 and drinking last November – don't miss the booze at all. I suspect I had a CO2 panic response that made me rip off the bag.

I don't know what to do now. I could gradually save up $500 Australia Post gift cards to buy Sodium Nitrite, if someone can direct me to a reputable seller who will ship to Australia. My second option is to get my wife's permission, apply for a passport, and use my superannuation to travel to Dignitas in Switzerland. I'm an aged pensioner, so that would take time and planning.

Below is the link to the prep video I posted previously and hopefully a picture of the ripped oven bag. On that Monday I felt very sick and breathless. Tuesday morning I was in an ambulance to Flinders Medical Centre, spent two nights there, and they stabilised my breathing and adjusted my medication. For reference, I had a Trans Aortic Valve Insertion three months ago.

Over to you, good people. I'm not after hugs and kisses – just practical input.

 

[TitianCashew26]

I'm curious to hear what others have to say, but it seems to me like you may have unconsciously ripped the bag. Were your hands tied down or secured in any way?

 

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I'm curious to hear what others have to say, but it seems to me like you may have unconsciously ripped the bag. Were your hands tied down or secured in any way?

No and it suspect it was due to co2 panic. I don't have enough information and i think I irreparable physical damage to myself. What surprised me was how much residual oxygen there was to sustain me. Nitrogen is lighter than O2 I think, thus the N2 would have sat on top of the air mix.

I'm curious to hear what others have to say, but it seems to me like you may have unconsciously ripped the bag. Were your hands tied down or secured in any way?

No.

 

[EmptyBottle]

oh wow, ur in Adelaide too! (I passed Modbury hospital on a random bus trip, quite far from flinders)

 

[Jadeith]

The way i see it:
-if you were breathing normally, CO2 panic response should not kick in as no CO2 buildup should be observed in your veins. Some involuntary movements - maybe but not panic response per se
-if you heard plastic "flapping", maybe "material fatigue" occurred and, in conjunction with rising gas pressure, caused bag rupture
-as for aforementioned involuntary movements - Gas Monkey's setup includes arm restraints

GasMonkey Setup [Nitrogen SCBA]

🐵 GasMonkey Setup 🐵 [Nitrogen SCBA] Positive Pressure Self-Contained Breathing Apparatus **images have been edited to ensure anonymity** Front view Side view Back view Pressure gauge Lung Demand Valve and Mask Bluetooth pulse oximeter Cylinder attachment Cylinder's connection...

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Personally, i planned to put myself into bodybag prior gas flow activation to restrict any unwanted limb movement

 

[redtrafficlight]

The way i see it:
-if you were breathing normally, CO2 panic response should not kick in as no CO2 buildup should be observed in your veins. Some involuntary movements - maybe but not panic response per se
-if you heard plastic "flapping", maybe "material fatigue" occurred and, in conjunction with rising gas pressure, caused bag rupture
-as for aforementioned involuntary movements - Gas Monkey's setup includes arm restraints

GasMonkey Setup [Nitrogen SCBA]

🐵 GasMonkey Setup 🐵 [Nitrogen SCBA] Positive Pressure Self-Contained Breathing Apparatus **images have been edited to ensure anonymity** Front view Side view Back view Pressure gauge Lung Demand Valve and Mask Bluetooth pulse oximeter Cylinder attachment Cylinder's connection...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Personally, i planned to put myself into body bag prior gas flow activation to restrict any unwanted limb movement

The body bag seems like a good idea. Where can you buy those anonymously in Australia. I think I dreamed the plastic flapping because the gas flow had extinguished about an hour beforehand. I would not have thought that the bag would have burst from gas build up because leakage around my neck.

 

[EmptyBottle]

I'd assume large vacuum seal bags can be bought, some clothes are in those iirc
PS: I saved ur video with yt-dlp (a youtube downloader), so it is archived at least on my end.. others can choose to archive asap in case yt takes it down

 

[blacksand]

Flow rate not high enough.

 

[Intoxicated]

I started the 15L/hr flow

It must be 15L/min, not 15L/h. And how did you assess the flow rate? The regulator on your video indicates only pressure in kPa.

Next thing I knew, I woke up a couple of hours later feeling very confused. I removed everything, made breakfast for myself and my wife

So there is a little chance that the bag or the hose was removed by your wife?

I suspect I had a CO2 panic response that made me rip off the bag.

Was the bag still placed over your head when you regained consciousness? Was the hose remain connected to the bag?

Nitrogen is lighter than O2 I think, thus the N2 would have sat on top of the air mix.

That's not how physics works. You can mix O2 and N2 into a nearly homogeneous mixture, so that the proportions between O2 and N2 would be almost the same at the upper and the lower altitudes. The average speed of oxygen molecules is near to 0.5 km/s, this is why they can easily move upwards regardless of the gravity force. Besides, the density of gases depends not only on their molecular weight, but also on their temperature. The same gas has a higher density at lower temperatures than at higher temperatures. Somehow many people overlook the dependency of density on the temperature, naively thinking that only the molecular weights matter.

Expansion of pressurized gases results in cooling down, so the temperature of nitrogen coming from the cylinder is less than the room temperature. This cold nitrogen has nearly the same density as the ambient air or maybe even greater.

 

[EmptyBottle]

I was also surprised by 15l per hour, don't think the pressure can be set that low (0.25L per minute) with precision. Not sure how I thought it made sense somehow earlier, we aren't putting down mice

 

[TBONTB]

I'm not sure if you were looking on comments on your next step options. It sounds as if you have enough medical concerns that you would be a candidate for medical aid in dying. Sounds like you would need to go to Switzerland, but that does seem like a good path if you have the ability to pursue it. It's above board, and comfortable. Someone needs to travel with you to confirm your identity, would you have someone who would do that?

I have heard that SN is difficult to get in Australia, might not be your best path.

Good k

 

[EmptyBottle]

While I could find sites with a search for laboratory SN, idk what checks they do when a personal address is entered instead of a business one. Plus, the time from decision to drink is too long for me (delivery, protocol delay).