Discussion Does anyone else feel that some people are just meant to CTB?

[RimeOfTheAncient]

What I mean by that is having this belief that some people are just better off being gone. That maybe both they and the world would only benefit from them being gone. I mean, probably the most common example, one that even some pro-lifers might agree with, is the terminally ill person with less than six months left to live, who would be in great pain during those last days. For me, no matter how I think about it, as long as they have their mental faculties about them and it's their own choice, those people just might be better off being gone. Perhaps not all of them, but at least I don't think it should be considered, by modern Western standards (and others I haven't researched other cultures as much), to be evil, amoral, or even a strange position to take. And why stop there? What about the older person with no or few loved ones to take care of them? Why would they not be better off having the option to die peacefully? And where does someone draw that line who gets to have the right to choose to go? What about someone younger, but who has no real future or hope either physically (paraplegic, genetic disorder), mentally (treatment-resistant depression, schizophrenia), or socioeconomically (poor or uneducated), or all of the above? I don't understand why someone like that would be "better off" alive than not.I would love to hear other people's opinions on the topic, but my logic is that only a person can determine if they are best served living or not, and that it's really no one else's prerogative to judge that choice. What do you guys think, and why?

 

[dust-in-the-wind]

I totally agree with you. But the prolifers have answers for everything and that all life is worth value no matter what the circumstance. That's why it's so hard to get these death with dignity laws passed in all states.

 

[FuneralCry]

I'm certainly not meant for something as torturous and dreadful as existence rather I'm only meant to never suffer again, I just don't see myself as deserving the terrible punishment of being burdened with this existence that just causes harm and suffering with no limit as to how much one can be tortured. For me non-existence is just all that's positive and I find it the most terrible tragedy how this existence was imposed at all, I wish that more than anything I never suffered in this existence and I'll always see it as an abomination to exist no matter what, all I want is some peace.

 

[LXR515]

1000% I've felt like I was gonna die by suicide from almost a decade now, like it's just written in the cards for me

 

[eternalpace]

I'm not sure that people are born 'meant' to die... but after long periods of depression and struggling, I think they're entitled to make the decision to self-delete. Another commenter mentioned the pro-lifers... and they're a huge problem. It's become accepted in society that even though people don't choose to enter the world, they can't choose to exit the world.

 

[Macedonian1987]

I totally agree with the statement that some people are just better off being gone. In my entire life I was avoided by everyone because of my Asperger's, even though I'm a good and peaceful person. I never intentionally hurt or made anyone feel bad because of my actions. Ever since I was just a little boy aged just 5 or 6 I felt like I'm an alien who was placed to live on a "wrong planet" a much crueler planet than the one I should have originally lived on. I wasn't suicidal back then, but after 2003 I start becoming more and more suicidal, and I'm at my end. In a year (or two at most) I will CTB by means of SN. I have everything I need (SN, meto, benzos) except a precise weight scale which can be bought easily.
I just CANNOT continue living riddled with sadness, chronic pain (I have joints like a 70 year old person) and without feeling love, touch and affection from another human being.

 

[woodlandcreature]

people treat the concept of life and what it should be as a religion whether they consider themselves religious or not. some people scream "my body my choice" but when someone actually believes that concept they lose all composure and act like it's some moral failing on their part. morals are just concepts. people think they're moral because "being moral" means something completely different to everyone. i'm not sure if i specifically believe some people are necessarily "meant" to die as i do not believe in destiny; however, i do know people have understandings of themselves that no one else has of them. ultimately, people should have full control over what they want their lives and deaths to be. if they truly feel they are better off dead who is anyone else to force them to think otherwise. this insistence only drives people further into destress most of the time.

 

[divinemistress36]

I Believe its in my destiny

 

[58Alice85]

Someone in perfect physical and mental health can still decide that society and the majority of its people is a hideous abomination and choose to blow their brains out. I can not say i see anything wrong with that decision.

 

[RimeOfTheAncient]

I totally agree with you. But the prolifers have answers for everything and that all life is worth value no matter what the circumstance. That's why it's so hard to get these death with dignity laws passed in all states.

Death with dignity laws are a little fascinating to me. I think if I was given some magical power to add one worldwide law it would be complete body autonomy, from CTB to Reproductive rights, if its your body, you can do with it what you want or need.

 

[traingirl]

What I mean by that is having this belief that some people are just better off being gone. That maybe both they and the world would only benefit from them being gone. I mean, probably the most common example, one that even some pro-lifers might agree with, is the terminally ill person with less than six months left to live, who would be in great pain during those last days. For me, no matter how I think about it, as long as they have their mental faculties about them and it's their own choice, those people just might be better off being gone. Perhaps not all of them, but at least I don't think it should be considered, by modern Western standards (and others I haven't researched other cultures as much), to be evil, amoral, or even a strange position to take. And why stop there? What about the older person with no or few loved ones to take care of them? Why would they not be better off having the option to die peacefully? And where does someone draw that line who gets to have the right to choose to go? What about someone younger, but who has no real future or hope either physically (paraplegic, genetic disorder), mentally (treatment-resistant depression, schizophrenia), or socioeconomically (poor or uneducated), or all of the above? I don't understand why someone like that would be "better off" alive than not.I would love to hear other people's opinions on the topic, but my logic is that only a person can determine if they are best served living or not, and that it's really no one else's prerogative to judge that choice. What do you guys think, and why?

In West Virginia, where suicide rates are high, they completely banned assisted suicide. Because god forbid people die humanely. Even some people on here say it's not valid to CTB because of severe depression but if you have struggled for so long and your quality of life is compromised and you've tried treatment to no avail, I think someone should be able to.

 

[RimeOfTheAncient]

I'm certainly not meant for something as torturous and dreadful as existence rather I'm only meant to never suffer again, I just don't see myself as deserving the terrible punishment of being burdened with this existence that just causes harm and suffering with no limit as to how much one can be tortured. For me non-existence is just all that's positive and I find it the most terrible tragedy how this existence was imposed at all, I wish that more than anything I never suffered in this existence and I'll always see it as an abomination to exist no matter what, all I want is some peace.

You write like a poet. A sad, broken, yet beautiful poet.

 

[RimeOfTheAncient]

1000% I've felt like I was gonna die by suicide from almost a decade now, like it's just written in the cards for me

In some ways there is a lot of comfort in knowing this, Idk I guess since I know CTB will be how I go its made me less afraid to live my life in some ways? Like I would never ride a motorcycle if i wanted to live, but since I don't really feel that need to be alive Ive gotten some small joy from going way to fast on 2 wheels.

I Believe its in my destiny

Destiny is a hell of a concept, if to CTB is yours, then does that limit the importance of everything between now and then I wonder?

 

[setspiritfree]

I'm certainly not meant for something as torturous and dreadful as existence rather I'm only meant to never suffer again, I just don't see myself as deserving the terrible punishment of being burdened with this existence that just causes harm and suffering with no limit as to how much one can be tortured. For me non-existence is just all that's positive and I find it the most terrible tragedy how this existence was imposed at all, I wish that more than anything I never suffered in this existence and I'll always see it as an abomination to exist no matter what, all I want is some peace.

Man, I am with you. I feel like I am going through cruel and inhumane mental and emotional torture. All I want is some peace and I know the only way I can get it is on the other side.

 

[RimeOfTheAncient]

Someone in perfect physical and mental health can still decide that society and the majority of its people is a hideous abomination and choose to blow their brains out. I can not say i see anything wrong with that decision.

Nor do I, so long as they are of age and understand as well as anyone can, whats so wrong with that decision? I don't understand why more people don't see it the same way.

Man, I am with you. I feel like I am going through cruel and inhumane mental and emotional torture. All I want is some peace and I know the only way I can get it is on the other side.

If you really know that, then I feel you should have the right to the peace we all deserve.

 

[Nightfoot]

The number of risk factors a person has can increase the likelihood. Ernest Hemingway had several relatives who also CTB, from his father, two siblings and a niece. That might make an argument for it being destined or inevitable, emphasis on might. Hard to know for sure. At the least I think it makes an argument for increased likelihood.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I think a lot of the time- even if it's clear that a person is suffering. Even if they insist that they want to go themselves- it can still be hard for others to let go.

Even if loved ones are 'burdened' by choosing/ having to care for them, they may still prefer that reality to actually loosing them. They would also maybe worry whether they had made that person feel a burden- which would likely create guilt. Or, maybe that they hadn't done enough. That they could have actually made that person's life worth living but, they didn't bother. Plus, good old selfishness. They simply like having those people in their lives and don't want to go through the bereavement of losing them.

I think the reactions to a suicide or probable suicide are pretty complex. Maybe because we are taught to view it as a negative, absolutely last resort type of thing- we are almost encouraged to have other emotions designed to prevent it- shame, sadness, even anger.

But sure- on the face of it, I do absolutely believe that some people are better off out of here. (Hopefully- assuming their's no dreadful afterlife awaiting us.) I actually think it's an act of barbarism to keep those people trapped here in pain.

I also believe we have the right to decide for ourselves. Even if our lives don't look dreadful to others- so long as we've taken into consideration all of our options and the consequences for others of our suiciding- I think all adults of sound mind should be free to choose themselves whether their lives have become intolerable. Otherwise- it's effectively slavery of a sort. Why should we aspire to being a slave race?

 

[PI3.14]

I totally agree with you. But the prolifers have answers for everything and that all life is worth value no matter what the circumstance. That's why it's so hard to get these death with dignity laws passed in all states.

I think it's also partially due to people putting the emotions of those left behind first instead of the emotions of the person who's currently suffering.

That's why you always hear people say "Think about your parents"

 

[bitcrushing]

people seem to believe in a world where all problems have a solution or at least an alternative path you can take around them. they ultimately think it's your own fault that you suffer, not having tried hard enough or found ways to cope with the situation you were handed.

an existence with net-negative value contradicts the "justness" of such a world, so they will fight you tooth and nail on any such claims. it's easier to deny it as much as possible using mental defense mechanisms they have built up over the years than to deal with the resulting cognitive dissonance; an alien worldview like you're describing will be short-circuited around with stock phrases at best and hostility at worst.

 

[RimeOfTheAncient]

The number of risk factors a person has can increase the likelihood. Ernest Hemingway had several relatives who also CTB, from his father, two siblings and a niece. That might make an argument for it being destined or inevitable, emphasis on might. Hard to know for sure. At the least I think it makes an argument for increased likelihood.

Genetic markers for suicide is something I doubt it has been studied all that much, no real money in it. I wonder if there could be particular suicide gene or if its all the other ones like addiction and general mental illness ones. If there was could it be removed or altered to "Fix" ( I don't think anything is broken per say, but idk what other word to use) people who want to end it? who knows, just made me think about.

 

[itsgone2]

Genetic markers for suicide is something I doubt it has been studied all that much, no real money in it. I wonder if there could be particular suicide gene or if its all the other ones like addiction and general mental illness ones. If there was could it be removed or altered to "Fix" ( I don't think anything is broken per se, but idk what other word to use) people who want to end it? who knows, just made me think about.

Interesting post. Just looking at it some, what you said does seem to be the case, that other genetic markers would potentially make someone vulnerable. But things like trauma, chronic stress, isolation, etc, matter the most. Which certainly make sense.