Do you think suicide brings bad karma?

[ireallywasnttogopls]

Well who knows what happens after death

Kinda irrational but I fear of being reincarnated with bad karma (like the Indian caste thing says)

Or another one of my irrational fear is that I become a ghost and have to witness my family's reaction to my death. I know it's kind of selfish of me because I know they will be heartbroken snd in eternal pain . I just can't do this anymore

 

[dragonofenvy]

If we assume it does, does the cost outweigh the benefit? Are we taking out a loan that we have to pay interest on later? Or are we making a large one-time payment in the hopes that it will pay off?

 

[astroproto]

I don't believe in karma, especially beyond one's life. Even within one lifetime, there's a bunch of "good" people who get the short end of the stick and a bunch of "bad" people rake in things in excess.

It also seems irrational that the universe or some higher being thinks you should get punished for a thing you can't remember. Punishments tend to be a way to teach someone the right way of doing things but what's the point if they don't even know what they did wrong? Just push them to be the best they can be in hopes they get a better life their current self won't experience?

 

[ireallywasnttogopls]

If we assume it does, does the cost outweigh the benefit? Are we taking out a loan that we have to pay interest on later? Or are we making a large one-time payment in the hopes that it will pay off?

I assume that if you end your life in this one, you get bad karma for harming your body and hurting the other people around you

IN turn it only makes sense that you get reborn but with an even worse life with worse conditions

Kinda like the Indian caste system, where if you kill yourself you get reborn into the lowest caste (street sweepers)

It has no proof but I also feel like karma is real, well at least negative karma feels real lol it seems like you always get punished for your wrong doings and never rewarded for doing good

 

[idontknowwhatiam]

Well who knows what happens after death

Kinda irrational but I fear of being reincarnated with bad karma (like the Indian caste thing says)

Or another one of my irrational fear is that I become a ghost and have to witness my family's reaction to my death. I know it's kind of selfish of me because I know they will be heartbroken snd in eternal pain . I just can't do this anymore

Bring bad karma to who, you. No, you're dead

 

[ireallywasnttogopls]

I don't believe in karma, especially beyond one's life. Even within one lifetime, there's a bunch of "good" people who get the short end of the stick and a bunch of "bad" people rake in thin

I sometimes think this but the problem is we can't spectate a person's life 100% so we don't know how their karma is manifesting behind the scenes . For all you know the "bad " people are good at concesling their suffering especially with social media as you can choose to post all the good aspects of ur life and hide the bad.

Also karma doesn't have a time clock, karma can come now or later

It also seems irrational that the universe or some higher being thinks you should get punished for a thing you can't remember. Punishments tend to be a way to teach someone the right way of doing things but what's the point if they don't even know what they did wrong? Just push them to be the best they can be in hopes they get a better life their current self won't experience?

This is a Very very good point

Bring bad karma to who, you. No, you're dead

Yes but what If you reincarnate and your karma is manifested into your new life

But I do agree that it would be irrational for a higher power to do this, but who knows

 

[dragonofenvy]

I assume that if you end your life in this one, you get bad karma for harming your body and hurting the other people around you

IN turn it only makes sense that you get reborn but with an even worse life with worse conditions

Kinda like the Indian caste system, where if you kill yourself you get reborn into the lowest caste (street sweepers)

It has no proof but I also feel like karma is real, well at least negative karma feels real lol it seems like you always get punished for your wrong doings and never rewarded for doing good

Most people here aren't going to believe in karma, and nobody is able to prove it, but again let's just assume it is real.
I guess if I were to look at it in a more positive light, then yes you would be born into a worse life. But I'd like to think you'd have opportunities to repay that karmic debt, and have opportunities to build a better life for yourself even if it does start out shittily.

If you want what I actually think will happen: Nothing. I've said this over and over to people but I'll say it again. You've spent billions of years not existing, and then, suddenly, here you are. Those billions of years didn't take very long to pass right? When you die, it is logical that you'd return to that state. An eternity of non-existence. But that's nothing to be afraid of. After all, you already have spent an eternity not existing before you were born, and that didn't take long, right?

As another commentor said, the universe doesn't operate on morality or law. It just exists. It's not out there to teach you a lesson. Why would some divine being waste their time on us when the universe is so uncomprehendingly vast that we might as well not exist when you put it to scale.

 

[Seneca65AD]

I believe in a form of "karma" but not when it comes to CTB. I don't believe any one wants to commit suicide. Life and shit usually push them to no longer wanting to exist in their present form. I can't imagine life feeding a person a ton of crap and then when that person can't take it anymore and decides to check-out, karma comes along and decides to punish them for not taking the crap. Oh, by the way, complete assholes are going to be given the keys to all hedonistic pleasures that life can offer.

I get that life is cruel and unfair, but it would be the ultimate FU if that cruelty and unfairness follows us into the afterlife, whatever that may be.

 

[madameviolette]

I think about it too. If everything in the universe is a matter of action > reaction then it would make sense that ctb would have an impact. Most probably a negative one since it goes against natural forces.

But then we would probably don't remember. After death would be like before birth.

Also we are all supposed to be coming from the same source. Why would we keep a sense of individuality after death ?

 

[Captive_Mind515]

No, Karma is made up. Just like heaven and hell and purgatory and reincarnation and all the other fantasy nonsense that humans have invented to scare and control people.

 

[catsalvation]

No, Karma is made up. Just like heaven and hell and purgatory and reincarnation and all the other fantasy nonsense that humans have invented to scare and control people.

I think the same. I realized this when the term 'bad karma' was used as a sneaky victim blaming tool to explain the unexplainable (severe abuse in my childhood).

 

[YourLocalEdgelord]

I mean, if that were the case, then more people would be in prison, most ceos would be good people, healthy families wouldn't be torn apart by random disasters, etc.

 

[T22222222]

Or another one of my irrational fear is that I become a ghost and have to witness my family's reaction to my death. I know it's kind of selfish of me because I know they will be heartbroken

yeah that is what scares me. becoming a ghost and being stuck in limbo.

 

[FuneralCry]

No, for me ceasing to exist would be the positive solution to find peace from the suffering, torture and cruelty of existing where there is no limit as to how much one can suffer, I only believe death to be non-existence where this existence I just always saw as the most terrible mistake is finally all gone and forgotten which is all I hope for. To suffer in this existence truly is an abomination to me and I'd only be relieved to be free from the torture of existing, it's so terrible to me how humans cause all this futile, unnecessary suffering by so tragically imposing this existence.

 

[rabbitjack]

I don't believe in karma, especially beyond one's life. Even within one lifetime, there's a bunch of "good" people who get the short end of the stick and a bunch of "bad" people rake in things in excess.

It also seems irrational that the universe or some higher being thinks you should get punished for a thing you can't remember. Punishments tend to be a way to teach someone the right way of doing things but what's the point if they don't even know what they did wrong? Just push them to be the best they can be in hopes they get a better life their current self won't experience?

Who says that they don't know what they're doing is wrong? Take Epstein for instance.

If karma didn't exist, there would be no balance.

I assume that if you end your life in this one, you get bad karma for harming your body and hurting the other people around you

IN turn it only makes sense that you get reborn but with an even worse life with worse conditions

Kinda like the Indian caste system, where if you kill yourself you get reborn into the lowest caste (street sweepers)

It has no proof but I also feel like karma is real, well at least negative karma feels real lol it seems like you always get punished for your wrong doings and never rewarded for doing good

"you get bad karma for harming your body and hurting the other people around you"

Define harming. Taking it out of its pain is harming? If it's in pain and you end its pain, is that harming? Sometimes, when I see an injured cockroach or ant, I step on it to take it out of its misery, and I don't see myself as harming that animal but saving it from more future pain and a dysfunctional life where it can't even hustle to feed itself.

 

[Seneca65AD]

A lot of great responses that definitely made me think. So, let's do a thought experiment assuming there is a karma (which I do believe in).

If the test for a karmic free suicide is the lack of anyone to mourn the death, then is there a possible karmic response for not living a life that includes having people who would mourn the death? Does karma only run on not being a "asshole" in life or is there a more positive component where one must at least try to do some good based on one's ability?

Then what happens if a person does not "actively" CTB but lives a life style of drugs, alcohol and McDonald's knowing that it would shorten their life. When that person passes, is there a karmic debt because they were not good to their body, therefore died sooner which left their friends and loved ones to mourn?

Or maybe I'm just full of crap - in that case, nothing to see here - carry on and have a great day!

 

[rabbitjack]

A lot of great responses that definitely made me think. So, let's do a thought experiment assuming there is a karma (which I do believe in).

If the test for a karmic free suicide is the lack of anyone to mourn the death, then is there a possible karmic response for not living a life that includes having people who would mourn the death? Does karma only run on not being a "asshole" in life or is there a more positive component where one must at least try to do some good based on one's ability?

Then what happens if a person does not "actively" CTB but lives a life style of drugs, alcohol and McDonald's knowing that it would shorten their life. When that person passes, is there a karmic debt because they were not good to their body, therefore died sooner which left their friends and loved ones to mourn?

Or maybe I'm just full of crap - in that case, nothing to see here - carry on and have a great day!

i think karma is like a spectrum. The more good you do, the more positive points you accumulate.

I'm not sure about the example you gave of the person who chooses to waste their life in the way you mentioned, especially if they are able to help others. But surely that doesn't sound like a positive thing.

But in the end, there is always the mercy/wrath of God which makes karma more unpredictable, because there are many unknown factors that we don't know of, that God, being omniscient, alone knows of.

 

[TANETS]

The existence of dalits made me stop believing in karma

 

[Hollowman]

No, karma's not real.

 

[Seneca65AD]

No, karma's not real.

Thank goodness. Now as long as the dalits aren't real, then life is much easier!

Edit: Oh shit! Dalits are real.....Dalit also called Harijans is a term used for untouchables and outcasts, who represent the lowest stratum of the castes in the Indian subcontinent. My apologies for making light of a serious situation....

 

[astroproto]

Who says that they don't know what they're doing is wrong? Take Epstein for instance.

If karma didn't exist, there would be no balance.

I think you misunderstood. I was going with OP's hypothetical about karmic punishment being carried out in your next lifetime.

If someone like Epstein were reincarnated, they're not going to remember what they did just like how none of us remember anything from our supposed past lives. So even if any of us were punished in our next lifetime, it would just feel like a cruel joke because you'd be atoning for something your current self knows nothing about. It's pretty pointless unless we have full memories of our past lives.