This was done my the Arizona police force and they demonstrated and took tests of a mock detergent suicide. Now I have SERIOUS issues with the results they claim. The first test was 32oz of the sulfur content and hcl. They claim it took 9 minutes to reach 1000ppm, then the test lasted for another 22 minutes and somehow it peaked at 15000. How the fuck is that possible? The chart for that would look ridiculous, normally a chemical reaction should peak the first minute and gradually go down. 1min - 50% 2min - 25% and so on. Even worst they claim it went to 1000ppm and (continued above 1k for another 19 minutes) so somehow in those remaining 19 minutes it went from 1k-15k then dropped down to under 1k levels. This seems incredibly unlikely. Can anyone shed some light?
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It makes perfect sense. It was done in a vehicle (space) that contains air. The air has to be replaced with the H2S that is being created. Evidently, the chemical reaction between the sulfur and hcl is a sustained one. In essence it's really no different than how CO levels within a given space rise to a maximum level from burning charcoal. The ppm level from burning charcoal doesn't immediately just rise up to the maximum level that a given amount of burning charcoal is able to produce within a fixed space (volume). On a graph it would be an upward sweeping line starting at the point 0,0 (no H2S at initial start time) and over "X" amount of time, the level would gradually increase to a maximum before, eventually, falling off. In a smaller space I'd expect a higher maximum level to be achieved, and in a larger space, a smaller maximum level. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
I fully understand an increase in levels after a giving point. What I don't understand is this specific growth. Think of this, the reaction begins, it takes 9 entire minutes for it to reach 1000ppm. Then after 19 more minutes the reaction went up to 15000. In reality according to the study it went under 1k after 19 minutes as it says it "held above 1k for 19 minutes". So in reality, according to the study in that 19 minute gap the h2s concentration shot up 15 times and then dipped under 1k. You see why this doesn't seem logical at all? If you were to graph this the chart would look silly, seeing an exponential growth then steep drop that you don't see from normal chemical reactions. Let's say it was charcoal in a car and imagine it took 10 minutes to hit 1k then it went to 15k in another 10 minutes? This is a MASSIVE exponential growth. Normal chemical reactions peak rapidly then decline they don't do this. It could be heat or something else but it seems incredibly off
This is a chart demonstrating what supposedly occured in this study. Can you see what i mean?
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Chatgpt says 32,000 ppm if the car of 100 cubic feet was sealed no air leaks.
They say they got 15,000 ppm so air was leaking
Went from 1000 ppm to 300 ppm from 28 minutes to 31 minutes, lost 700 ppm in 3 minutes
Probably air was leaking out the ac vents and maybe other places
Also h2s is slightly heavier than air so might sink
They say they got 15,000 ppm so air was leaking
Went from 1000 ppm to 300 ppm from 28 minutes to 31 minutes, lost 700 ppm in 3 minutes
Probably air was leaking out the ac vents and maybe other places
Also h2s is slightly heavier than air so might sink
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I went and pulled the actual files of this study and yea, its exactly how they stated it in the video. At 64oz and higher tests this same extremely puzzling supposed reaction occured and they wrote it with hilariously bad grammar to add insult to injury. If its a sustained reaction which it should be especially from the bubbling effect we see that hints it is, this is a massive anomaly. It might be an instrument reading issue? Like the reader was stationed at the top and the gas slowly moved up and overwhelmed it. Idfk but something has to be off. Maybe the mixture heats up and spikes later on idk.
That's fine cause anything about 5k doesn't really matter. What I have a huge issue and I think its incredibly important to this method is the speed at which ppm increases. According to this study it increases in a fuckin cartoon fashion. I made a chart to illustrate what they supposedly got
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I see absolutely no issue with your chart representation. It shows that the reaction took an amount of time to get fully going, then the H2S level climbed to a peak amount, at which point the level started dropping, probably due to leakage, as the other poster said. Seems reasonable to me.
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If sealed Production rate 111 + 233 ppm per minute . So reach over 1000 ppm in 3 minutes if completely sealed with around 1 liter each in a car taped up.
Analyzing Gas Concentration and Determining Peak Time
The following data points show the concentration of gas 'hh' over time in a 100 cubic feet chamber:
1. Determining the Leakage Rate
The concentration dropped from 1000 ppm to 300 ppm between 4:28 pm and 4:31 pm, a period of 3 minutes. This represents a loss of 700 ppm in 3 minutes. Therefore, the leak rate is approximately 700 ppm / 3 minutes ≈ 233.33 ppm/minute.
2. Estimating the Peak Time
The initial production rate was approximately 1000 ppm / 9 minutes ≈ 111.11 ppm/minute, as the reaction started at 0 ppm at 4:00 pm and reached 1000 ppm at 4:09 pm. However, the concentration at 4:28 pm was still 1000 ppm, which suggests the production rate had slowed or the leakage was influencing the overall concentration. Given the leakage, the reaction likely reached its maximum production rate before 4:28 pm.
Precisely determining when the 15000 ppm peak occurred is impossible without more data. The provided data covers the initial increase and a later decrease in concentration, potentially after the peak has already passed. Maximum concentration (Tmax) can occur shortly after the start of a reaction.
3. Plotting the Graph (PPM vs. Time)
A rough graph can be plotted using the provided data points, while recognizing the actual path to the peak is unknown.
15000 (Expected Peak)
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| 1000 ppm
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|/ \ 300 ppm
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0 9 28 31 Time (minutes
Analyzing Gas Concentration and Determining Peak Time
The following data points show the concentration of gas 'hh' over time in a 100 cubic feet chamber:
- 4:00 pm (0 minutes): 0 ppm
- 4:09 pm (9 minutes): 1000 ppm
- 4:28 pm (28 minutes): 1000 ppm
- 4:31 pm (31 minutes): 300 ppm
1. Determining the Leakage Rate
The concentration dropped from 1000 ppm to 300 ppm between 4:28 pm and 4:31 pm, a period of 3 minutes. This represents a loss of 700 ppm in 3 minutes. Therefore, the leak rate is approximately 700 ppm / 3 minutes ≈ 233.33 ppm/minute.
2. Estimating the Peak Time
The initial production rate was approximately 1000 ppm / 9 minutes ≈ 111.11 ppm/minute, as the reaction started at 0 ppm at 4:00 pm and reached 1000 ppm at 4:09 pm. However, the concentration at 4:28 pm was still 1000 ppm, which suggests the production rate had slowed or the leakage was influencing the overall concentration. Given the leakage, the reaction likely reached its maximum production rate before 4:28 pm.
Precisely determining when the 15000 ppm peak occurred is impossible without more data. The provided data covers the initial increase and a later decrease in concentration, potentially after the peak has already passed. Maximum concentration (Tmax) can occur shortly after the start of a reaction.
3. Plotting the Graph (PPM vs. Time)
A rough graph can be plotted using the provided data points, while recognizing the actual path to the peak is unknown.
15000 (Expected Peak)
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| 1000 ppm
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| /
|/ \ 300 ppm
---+--------+--------+--------
0 9 28 31 Time (minutes
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Perhaps I suppose. For me its either sodium sulfide hcl or this chemical method is far too sketchy. Calcium polysulfide or whatever lime sulfur is used seems like you're gonna suffer as levels rise chaoticly. Sodium sulfide should be a near instant reaction the issue is its alittle harder to source but I think I found one.
