Discussion Capitalism & suicide

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I'm not pro-suicide at all but I think it's so important to discuss why people aren't allowed to debate about suicide without being seen as a "threat" or basically equivalent to being pro-murder.

I think the main reason behind this is because capitalism benefits so greatly from having a pro-life stance. You can see a similar argument in abortions. Historically, through most of history, suicide has been seen as courageous and honourable. It was for soldiers (Ancient Rome, Greece & Japan) and people trying to escape capture (slaves & people captured in war). Even in Shakespearean times, suicide was more neutrally viewed than it is now. No one called Romeo and Juliet selfish even though their suicides were impulsive and for reasons most people would describe as "selfish" today (love/heartbreak).

The anti-suicide narrative is very recent and it thrives in a society where someone else profits of your existence. Even people in institutions or on their deathbed (in countries where euthanasia is not permitted) can generate income by making jobs for people in healthcare.
Capitalism benefits from having cheap labour in the masses, to support the upper class. There's no billionaire in the world that has become rich without exploiting other people. Whether through tax fraud, or low wages/unsafe working conditions (Amazon). Even if they haven't done anything explicitly illegal, most people would agree that sweatshops and factories are immoral.


I'm not pro-suicide because I think most suicidal people are suicidal because of their situation. Oftentimes I feel like a different person when I travel to a different country where I could escape my abusive family. People say it's a "permanent solution to a non-permanent problem" but so many problems ARE permanent: racism, sexism, transphobia & homophobia, being in a lower class/caste, body dysmorphia and lifelong physical or mental problems. Going to a healthcare professional won't make you suddenly white or fix your chronic illness so it's a permanent issue. Usually is permanent issues (or at least multiple years) that causes people to be suicidal. It's as out of proportion compared to a lot of problems as people treat it to be. Even if you do get out of such a situation, you have to deal with the lifelong trauma of having been in that situation that caused you to be suicidal. Therapy cannot "fix" any issues, only help you to cope/accept them. However you can accept these problems and still feel suicidal.

The only reason governments want people not to commit suicide is because they need soldiers, workers, taxpayers etc. Most people have taken the narrative that suicidal people are "irrational/weak/sinful" (any negative attribute imo) and now have demonised the discussion around the right to die. By extension, SS has been demonised despite it having a recovery section and providing actual support without demonising suicide.

 

[BradGuy123]

What an intelligent and well-thought out post. I think you hit the nail on the head.

 

[Galam]

I think you have a good unterstanding of the system. In germany it is similar, they need pigs and we are their pigs. I was caged into asylum and traumatized there just for their money. They stigmatized me as mentally ill similar to what they did with 'witches' or lesbians, other lower class women in nazi germany. The mainstream never changed and they breed even more than ever.

Valerie Solanas and other radical feminists who are dead, wrote about this before 2000 and since then nothing has changed. Many women are traitors to their own kind, especially the middle-class and elite-class women. They are very dull and women like me were always sabotaged by them too. I never had any health care and become no welfare anymore and become homeless because of such a dumb pickme that bullies me. And the other organizations are corrupt too here, they are filled with those dull hateful bches. I was sometimes treated better by men, they were nicer. It is very sad, because I always wanted female friendship and own living places for lesbians but this isn't possible with women who sabotage and kill women like me.

We will never reach a better society with pickmes in power positions, and general breeders and the whole money system. Many don't invest in ethical steps and many don't understand that we shouldn't give money so much importance. Ants don't need money to help each other. Sadly many humans want to compete.

I was always cut off from eveything (good social contacts, good jobs, good environment, traveling, love, food, events) just because they disliked my body, they always said I am ugly, slow, dumb and so nobody helped me. I am now 30 and was always alone. I was bullied since Kindergarten and now the bulliyng is simply discrimination (lookism, ableism, misogyny). The real bad thing is, that people who are cruel and dumb rule over the system and build it. Not the weak, ethical people.

This is the reason why I like outcasts who start to revolt with gun fire or similar. Like Audrey Hale or this transwoman or the german woman from Hamburg (she was abused in asylum and started to attack strangers on a train station with a knife). They don't attack innocent people as long as they attack breeders and their spawn imo. Normal people are ill. I don't have a good life but I don't want to be them either tbh. I was born as a ethical human, a masculiner woman with some disabilities and vegan, antinatalistic and lesbian-centering values. I was never competetive, and always wanted to support solidarity and altruism. It's sad that humans like me are oppressed by parasites. The only bad thing in my life was not me, but the people around me.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I entirely agree with you. The only thing I'd add is that suicide isn't usually welcomed within our family units either. Most especially by parents. So, while I agree- it benefits those in power to have their wage slaves alive, they're not exactly up against strong opposition. Parents will mostly cling on to their offspring wherever possible. Plus, keep popping out more baby citizens as meat for the grinder.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

Capitalism will need less and less working slaves because more and more will be done by machines and algorithims. Only consuments are needed but they cannot buy anything as they have no jobs. The capitalists have to give their products for free. Or in other words, capitalism is going to abolish itself.

Only fiew very high scilled people are needed in the future. I guess they will be payed by the right to have children whilst the superfluous rest is not allowed to reproduce. Finally the planet has to be saved. So suicide of the useless will be apprecheated and we can only hope that it will not be enforced.