Can anyone with this full suspension hanging please.

[ifihadnever]

I posted a few weeks ago about having a low ligature point for a full suspension hanging (Just a 1 foot drop). I received some helpful advice and been experimenting but just wanted to ask some further questions.....as I feel it is possible but I would need to get my anchor point knot and neck knot very close as don't have much room for movement.

So, I don't want it to become a partial as feel i would be unsuccessful. Someone helpful showed me a video for information purposes and it looked like the girl had already tied the knot around her neck and then tied it to the anchor point. I'm wondering if this is my best bet and I tie to the anchor point as close as I can get? If so, what sort of knot would I use? I've been looking at noose knots with a stopper, the rope doesn't have much stretch but without actually trying it, unknown if it would drop top far and be unsuccessful.

I appreciate full suspension does need to be higher ideally. I'm pretty sure there is a way with what I've got but I would need to ensure the rope around my neck and anchor are very close.....

Is anyone able to help with this please? I do feel like it could be done, but feel I might drop too far at the minute. So might just need to think outside the box a little?

Would a normal noose knot be ok? and put it round my neck first and try then tie to point (basically the opposite of what people tend to do in full suspension).

Thank you in advance for any input!

 

[Baisley]

I would love to help you out but unfortunately I suck at this method and need help myself with it. Hopefully someone will respond soon. I think they normally say with partial to use a slip knot, maybe try reading Evelyn's guide as she posted about partial hangings and seemed knowledgeable. Good luck!

 

[ummwhaaat]

How To Tie A Hangman’s Knot (Noose)

Tying a traditional hangman’s knot noose takes several steps, but it’s not complicated. Follow the simple directions below to learn how to tie one of these knots.

www.theknotsmanual.com

This one isn't too hard to tie, and I'd probably go for that with full suspension, I think I'd trust that a bit more than a slipknot. Especially after a 1 foot drop you're unlikely to want to be unsucessful

 

[ifihadnever]

Thanks! I can do the knot but I feel I need to tie knot around my neck first and then to the anchor point? Does this make sense? Most people doing full suspension would set up there rope but I don't have that much room (in terms of just a foot drop). so wondering the best way to combat this. I'm unsure if I'm overthinking it but also if I've only got a foot to drop I do need to ensure I get it right.

I'm positive there's a way....I'm just a bit redundant to ensure how so thought someone else might be able to help.

 

[ummwhaaat]

Thanks! I can do the knot but I feel I need to tie knot around my neck first and then to the anchor point? Does this make sense? Most people doing full suspension would set up there rope but I don't have that much room (in terms of just a foot drop). so wondering the best way to combat this. I'm unsure if I'm overthinking it but also if I've only got a foot to drop I do need to ensure I get it right.

I'm positive there's a way....I'm just a bit redundant to ensure how so thought someone else might be able to help.

I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to ask. You can tie the hangmans knot to an object weighing about 20 kg at about the height you expect yourself to be, then see how your setup reacts when you drop it if that makes sense? 20 kg should be enough to test how the whole system reacts, as long as you are sure your anchor points will hold your weight.
The hangmans knot will be tightening itself, so you can basically pull on it and check to see where it will go to once under stress, and then release the tension and make the noose bigger to fit into it by just pushing the rope through the knot again

 

[AreWeWinning]

I posted a few weeks ago about having a low ligature point for a full suspension hanging (Just a 1 foot drop). I received some helpful advice and been experimenting but just wanted to ask some further questions.....as I feel it is possible but I would need to get my anchor point knot and neck knot very close as don't have much room for movement.

So, I don't want it to become a partial as feel i would be unsuccessful. Someone helpful showed me a video for information purposes and it looked like the girl had already tied the knot around her neck and then tied it to the anchor point. I'm wondering if this is my best bet and I tie to the anchor point as close as I can get? If so, what sort of knot would I use? I've been looking at noose knots with a stopper, the rope doesn't have much stretch but without actually trying it, unknown if it would drop top far and be unsuccessful.

I appreciate full suspension does need to be higher ideally. I'm pretty sure there is a way with what I've got but I would need to ensure the rope around my neck and anchor are very close.....

Is anyone able to help with this please? I do feel like it could be done, but feel I might drop too far at the minute. So might just need to think outside the box a little?

Would a normal noose knot be ok? and put it round my neck first and try then tie to point (basically the opposite of what people tend to do in full suspension).

Thank you in advance for any input!

Thanks! I can do the knot but I feel I need to tie knot around my neck first and then to the anchor point? Does this make sense? Most people doing full suspension would set up there rope but I don't have that much room (in terms of just a foot drop). so wondering the best way to combat this. I'm unsure if I'm overthinking it but also if I've only got a foot to drop I do need to ensure I get it right.

I'm positive there's a way....I'm just a bit redundant to ensure how so thought someone else might be able to help.

Height

Normally, your support should be at least 40-50 cm (about 1.5 feet?) high from the ground for full suspension. You might get away with less, but if you want to ensure your feet don't touch the ground at the end, that's the height I would recommend. The reason why you need so much height is that the knots will stretch (not the rope, but the knots themselves, as they settle under load), and the noose will constrict around your neck.

If you tie the noose around your neck first, pre-tighten it, and then tie the rope to an anchor point, without any slack in the rope, you might get away with stepping off from a lower height and still achieve full suspension. The noose constricting around your neck is one of the major reasons for losing height, so eliminating this helps a lot.

If you tie the rope to the anchor point first, then the way to minimise height loss is to tie the noose around your neck snugly. I.e. don't make the noose large enough for your head to fit through. Tie it tightly around your neck straight away. In order to do this, you need to be able to tie the knot blindly, behind your neck. It might take some practice, but it's totally doable with one of the simpler knots — perhaps not with the Hangman's Noose.

Doing it the way described above can be dangerous if you lose your balance before you've completely finished tying the knots, so be careful.

Regarding the drop, there shouldn't be a drop per se. You just lower yourself and lean into the noose hard before kicking your support over. In other words, when you kick the support over, there should already be tension in the rope. By "drop", you might have just meant the height difference, but I still wanted to mention this.

Knots

Regarding knots, I don't particularly like the Hangman's Noose, but it works if that's what you prefer. If you don't trust the Noose Knot + stopper knot combination (also called an Arbor Knot), you could also consider using a Poacher's Knot. Add a stopper knot after the Poacher's Knot as well, close to the main knot, to make it more secure and to reduce any initial slippage.

Another option to make the knots more reassuring is to use a Double Overhand Stopper instead of a simple Overhand Knot. It's a thicker knot. It shouldn't normally be necessary, but if you have concerns, this is also an option.

If you tie your noose first, with your neck already in it — which is a good way to minimise height loss — then you can tie the rope to the anchor point by using an Anchor Hitch, a Round Turn & Two Half Hitches, or a Snuggle Hitch, for example. All of these can be tied pretty snugly. Whichever you choose, add a stopper knot at the free end, as close to the main knot as possible. It's an extra insurance, and it also helps with minimising any initial slippage.

 

[ifihadnever]

Ah OK, yes this makes sense. Realistically I need to look at the knot set up in order not to lose so much height if I only have a foot. OK, I think the knots I've been trying which are generally recommended for full suspension (noose knots for example) won't be appropriate then as I'd loose too much in height and just hit the floor. I will have to practice different knots and what slips less. Its my highest ligature point in my house and I would rather do it in the house than outside and also i don't want some poor soul to find me hanging from a tree. So trying my best with what I have. But I don't want a 'failed' attempt. I will look into the knots you have suggested and see if i can make this work. I do appreciate the time you have taken to reply.
I think I'm trying to work out how not to loose height in a not idea situation. I was determined it could work. I'm now becoming a little unsure. But will try different knots. Basically I need a knot that doesn't 'slip' as much and might have to be tied to my neck first before tied to point. Obviously my difficult. The rope I've been practising with is too long and making matters worse so I've ordered a shorter rope to try with. Thank you for replying.

I would love to help you out but unfortunately I suck at this method and need help myself with it. Hopefully someone will respond soon. I think they normally say with partial to use a slip knot, maybe try reading Evelyn's guide as she posted about partial hangings and seemed knowledgeable. Good luck!

 

[AreWeWinning]

OK, I think the knots I've been trying which are generally recommended for full suspension (noose knots for example) won't be appropriate then as I'd loose too much in height and just hit the floor. I will have to practice different knots and what slips less.

The main problem isn't the type of knot, but the fact that a self-tightening noose loses height as it tightens around your neck. Its circumference becomes smaller, and the extra rope has to go somewhere — it'll come out at the sliding end, which means the noose will drop lower. It doesn't matter what knot you use for the noose; it'll always be like that. All of them will drop in height.

The knot itself might also slip slightly, but this slippage is negligible, and there isn't a great difference between different knots. An Arbor Knot (Noose Knot + stopper knot) won't slip much more or less than a Poacher's knot or a Hangman's Noose.

Be careful

Doing it like this, it can be more difficult to untie the setup and back down if you change your mind in the last moment, before stepping off. It can also be slightly dangerous if you lose your balance when tying the knots, because even the slightest movement will create tension.

If you want to avoid height loss, the only way to do that is to tie the noose snugly around your neck to begin with, in such a way that there isn't any slack in the rope. (In other words, don't tie the noose in advance and then put it over your head.) The question is how you can actually do this. You can either:

1. tie the rope to the anchor point first, then tie it directly around your neck snugly, without any slack in the rope, or
2. tie the noose around your neck and pull it tight first, then tie the rope to the anchor point without any slack.

You can do either, depending on which one you feel more comfortable with.

The rope I've been practising with is too long and making matters worse so I've ordered a shorter rope to try with.

You can also cut the rope, and burn the ends to avoid fraying.

 

[ifihadnever]

thank you this @wearewinning, this is very informative. I was planning to use to top of my vertical radiator downstairs. I have been concerned with only a foot spare its too low. I also have Cognitive impairment so tieing a knot slightly blindly will be more difficult for me than the 'average person' and like you have pointed out carries a bit more risk. But I have a vertical radiator upstairs (assumed it was the same height) but it's higher on the wall and will give me around a foot and a half which I believe is about the require minimum for full suspension. I feel if I practice the knots and set up the upstairs radiator with 1 foot and half drop could be a workable option. obviously, it's still not ceiling height. but I think do-able. What are you thoughts?

I'm waiting for a shorter rope to arrive to practice (the rope I order was too long and is causing too difficult to mess around with). Once that arrives I will see about setting up my points and applying weight to see if it's workable. I'm about 8 stone so not very overly heavy (unsure if that makes a difference).

I have also just purchased a sturdy stool.

Thank you again for your detailed responses. I have found it very informative and your knowledge has been very helpful to me.

 

[AreWeWinning]

thank you this @wearewinning, this is very informative. I was planning to use to top of my vertical radiator downstairs. I have been concerned with only a foot spare its too low. I also have Cognitive impairment so tieing a knot slightly blindly will be more difficult for me than the 'average person' and like you have pointed out carries a bit more risk. But I have a vertical radiator upstairs (assumed it was the same height) but it's higher on the wall and will give me around a foot and a half which I believe is about the require minimum for full suspension. I feel if I practice the knots and set up the upstairs radiator with 1 foot and half drop could be a workable option. obviously, it's still not ceiling height. but I think do-able. What are you thoughts?

More height is always better, so 1.5 foot is better than 1 foot.

It's not the height of the attachment point that matters per se. If you're a short person, you don't need ceiling height. What matters is the distance between your feet and the ground when you step off. My guess is that it should be about 40-50 cm or about 1.5 foot if you want to ensure full suspension. If you need to step off from a lower height because your anchor point is too low, that may not result in full suspension. This isn't necessarily a problem, though. Even if your toes or your feet touch the ground at the end, that's still better than starting out in a partial hanging position in the first place. There will still be enough tension. It depends on how perfect you want your setup to be, and whether you want 99.0% or 99.9% certainty (I just made those numbers up.) If you remain unconscious and don't stand up involuntarily, you'll definitely die either way.

I'm about 8 stone so not very overly heavy (unsure if that makes a difference).

Your anchor point has to be strong enough to support your full weight safely, that's all.

 

[ifihadnever]

Thank you for this. Yes 1.5 foot is an improvement on 1 foot. I'm still awaiting my rope but might ask your advice on my set up once I've practiced the knots, points and different weights. Hopefully it will be enough. As always, I appreciate the time you take to reply to me and share your knowledge.