Discussion As SN and substances like it become increasingly restricted over the coming years, do you think that others will take its place?

[Eudaimonic]

Or will future generations of suicidal people have to resort to hard-to-restrict methods such as full suspension, jumping, or drowning instead?

 

[Crow_88]

A few years ago N was all anyone talked about and then it was severely restricted. SN - I'd bet - once its restricted another method may become more popular. Fentanyl may be the next.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I suspect there will be other substances in future. There will likely always be some demand for a peaceful suicide. Especially if our governments continue to deny assisted suicide to the majority.

It just takes a brainy maverick to figure out what chemicals could be lethal and to share that information. I imagine things like the PPH will continue to be updated and people will simply share whatever comes from there.

The more frightening aspect of it is I suppose, some desperate poor souls out there will be amongst the first to try whatever it is. It's scary enough contemplating SN. Even with all the documented successes with it now and, protocols to follow. Imagine having to take something in some random quantity because- in theory- someone has told you it will work. That really is brave.

Maybe we find out about these things through accidental deaths initially. I expect plenty of people have their eyes on things that accidentally kill people.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Idk what other "peaceful" substances can take their place if they aren't already known.

 

[Intoxicated]

Or will future generations of suicidal people have to resort to hard-to-restrict methods such as full suspension, jumping, or drowning instead?

People who don't focus solely on ingested substances, will always be able to commit chemical suicides. For example, it's hard to restrict availability of all the substances that can be used to produce H2S, which is highly effective and preferred by some people

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[Eudaimonic]

A few years ago N was all anyone talked about and then it was severely restricted. SN - I'd bet - once its restricted another method may become more popular. Fentanyl may be the next.

It's not reliable enough due to significant variability in responses to/required lethal dose for opioids and time until death even if an OD is fatal, high risk of vomiting and poor absorption for oral ROA which most people prefer, and it involves DNMs (also requires testing) which dissuades many people - so, I don't think so.

Maybe certain cardiac switch drugs, but they require sedatives and can take from 12-24 (or even 48 hours, depending on drug) hours to cause death; also, I believe these will become increasingly hard to get because they are no longer needed in many places - so, again, don't think so.

I think there will be a brief period (maybe 5-10 years) where similar substances to SN are still available (assuming that others apart from PN are in fact effective), but after that I am not sure what will happen. That's what I'm curious about - in 5-10 years from now, will people be discussing novel substances/methods or will there just be more discussion of hanging etc.?

 

[needthebus]

It will be hard for people to ever stop heroin from flowing. Too many people like it and want it too bad. As long as money exists, heroin exists. Even if money didn't exist, it exists. There's risks of becoming an addict if you do heroin and don't die, so it's not a good option if there's anything else, but people do overdose on heroin, so it would be hard for people to restrict everything.

 

[Pon]

Even methods such as jumping have been attempted to be restricted in some countries with the anti-jumping nets or railings at high places. It is almost like a cruel joke that governments and by extension markets will adapt with band aid solutions to people wanting to CTB instead of addressing why they can allow such circumstances to exist and lead said people to that point..

But if they will not give up, neither will we, and I envision a future in 5-10 years from now where those of us that want to CTB will without fail discover the most peaceful and efficient chemical means to do so no matter how many substances or preparation it takes to earn back that control.


We can make 26 acronyms with 1 letter, and as soon as you introduce a second, that number rises to 650.
17,576 at 3 letters, and so I think the odds are in our favour.

 

[maniac116]

As a matter of practical need, yes there will be more & different ways to ctb. As long as there's a need there will be those who are willing to supply the markets.

 

[Eudaimonic]

Even methods such as jumping have been attempted to be restricted in some countries with the anti-jumping nets or railings at high places. It is almost like a cruel joke that governments and by extension markets will adapt with band aid solutions to people wanting to CTB instead of addressing why they can allow such circumstances to exist and lead said people to that point..

Yes. I shouldn't have lumped jumping in with hanging and drowning, which are much harder to restrict. I mean, I don't have anywhere to jump.

But if they will not give up, neither will we, and I envision a future in 5-10 years from now where those of us that want to CTB will without fail discover the most peaceful and efficient chemical means to do so no matter how many substances or preparation it takes to earn back that control.

While this may be true, it will become increasingly harder to hide one's intentions of CTBing as AI advances rapidly in a decidedly pro-life society.

We can make 26 acronyms with 1 letter, and as soon as you introduce a second, that number rises to 650.
17,576 at 3 letters, and so I think the odds are in our favour.

I don't understand what you're getting at here, sorry.

 

[Pon]

I don't understand what you're getting at here, sorry.

I mean to say that there are very many substances both in circulation, (likely) yet to be discovered and potentially lethal dosages and combinations of other chemicals that we can find around us which require further testing to solidify as reliable, peaceful methods.
Even if what we currently know gets banned, the chances of something else from these thousands of possibilities showing up on the radar or being proofed are not bleak at all.

And I say so only in regards to obtainable substances as chemical methods as a whole are much broader and (I would think) harder to restrict on a large scale.
I hope that clears up what I mean.

 

[JayJay]

Probably fentanyl as it's extremely potent and affordable. Not legal but who cares about doing something illegal when you're about to leave this planet

 

[SilentSadness]

Sodium nitrite is chosen because it's the most reliable and easily accessible method people know of. It has problems though and if there was a better method people knew about then it would replace SN. So if and when SN becomes unavailable, the next best alternative will take its place, which will be less reliable or less accessible.