Discussion "A permanent solution to a temporary problem"

[Lordsudbury]

What do you think about this mantra?

To me people who say this don't realize that it's not a temporary problem - trauma, depression, situational suicide, lack of interest in life or achievements or whatever ails you is part of your story forever, however ugly that chapter is. I find living with some of the chapters of my life unbearable to continue with.

Especially if you can remember every moment of your life like it is today. Who else is like that?

So it's not temporary; the problem is forever. It never leaves.

 

[MiseryLovesMyCompany]

I believe that in some cases things can be resolved over time with great effort. There are people who can do this and those who are so worn down that the effort required to make their life somewhat better is greater than what they are able to produce.
There is no denying that many have been exposed to so much trauma that their life will never be the same again. Even if something changes their experiences made them who they are, and that will stick with them forever.

 

[Lilacmoon]

Not even considering chronic or terminal degenerative illnesses... hah, very temporary problem, right?

 

[Life_and_Death]

it is a permanent solution to a permanent problem. just because someone goes through recovery doesnt mean the problem is gone it just means they have healthy coping mechanisms that work. sadly it doesnt work for everyone/they dont find one that works before it becomes too much.

 

[StringPuppet]

Normal people don't have any real interest in learning why we would want to die and all of their lazy arguments reflect that.

 

[ocd is bad]

Isn't a permenant solution a positive thing? Why would anyone want a temporary solution?

 

[laura fines]

What do you think about this mantra?

To me people who say this don't realize that it's not a temporary problem - trauma, depression, situational suicide, lack of interest in life or achievements or whatever ails you is part of your story forever, however ugly that chapter is. I find living with some of the chapters of my life unbearable to continue with.

Especially if you can remember every moment of your life like it is today. Who else is like that?

So it's not temporary; the problem is forever. It never leaves.

maybe this is one of the more common struggle for depressive people
you know that your situation is not temporary
but people who don´t undestand the desease think is only a period in your life

 

[Ren Elsie Jewelria]

What do you think about this mantra?

Typical sheeple BS. Enough said.

 

[ATownSerenity]

It's BS. Is climate change temporary in the lifespan of a single human? Is increasing wealth inequality and the alienation of the common worker temporary? Economic depressions can essentially turn a person's entire life and everything they've worked for to dust, making it nigh impossible to recover.

 

[Mr2005]

What do you think about this mantra?

To me people who say this don't realize that it's not a temporary problem - trauma, depression, situational suicide, lack of interest in life or achievements or whatever ails you is part of your story forever, however ugly that chapter is. I find living with some of the chapters of my life unbearable to continue with.

Especially if you can remember every moment of your life like it is today. Who else is like that?

So it's not temporary; the problem is forever. It never leaves.

Me. I'm like that. My bodies here but my minds somewhere else

 

[Superdeterminist]

1. No one can guarantee that your problem will only be temporary, falsely promising someone that eventually their problem will subside, is manipulative and unfair.
2. A "permanent solution" sounds rather appealing, to me anyway.
3. Just because a problem may be temporary, doesn't mean it's trivial. The past can matter a lot to people, and it may affect them for the rest of their lives.

 

[sadworld]

It's a permanent problem, i can't see how everything could ever change in my life.

 

[Mischievous]

I think they have a point but it's still flawed. I believe if we sunk a metric ton of resources into treatment than maybe we could solve the issues plaguing us but the reality is no one is willing to do that. Seriously the next person who says this ask them if they are willing to soak up the cost of hundreds of thousands of dollars in therapy, medication, housing, and treatment just for you. The solution (death)isnt just permanent it is economical and well within the capability of society to provide. The alternative just isnt realistic.

 

[TessB]

I think this statement is true, but it wouldn't stop me doing it.

 

[262653]

Isn't the point of such quotes is to talk people out of suicide? Many other quotes are meant to invoke a sense of fear, guilt, shame, or an unfounded hope that life quality will improve. This one, in contrast, seems completely out of place.

 

[Lost in a Dream]

My response: "Okay, you are TOTALLY correct about this pro-lifer! I will gladly accept your temporary solution that will expire soon and expect it to fix everything! Hand over the snake oil please!"

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Life is temporary, therefore the problem is temporary. It may last the whole lifetime, it might not.

The platitude is like thought-stopping in cults, it's meant to shut down the recipient of the message. But a knee-jerk negation of it is also thought-stopping. It can be considered rationally, as can suicide.

 

[TheSomebody]

I think this statement is so stupid and refutable that when someone says that to me I don't even feel like answering back

 

[Deleted member 22624]

Life is one problem after another. It's a permanent situation with threats and dangers always on the horizon. Also it's an idiotic statement because many problems are long lived. But it's a statement which helps some people keep going so meh, good for them.

Lol @Manoban, a permanent solution does sound good.

 

[Sprite_Geist]

It is a phrase that has been overused to the point that it has lost its meaning. Before it became overused it was still not an accurate saying either, because you cannot judge a painful situation that someone is in just by seeing or hearing about it. Traumatic events, for example, can lead to long-lasting, permanent and irrepairable damage both physically and mentally. Even if an issue is not permenent and can be fixed dying can still be preferable. They might not have the will, energy or resources to seek out or access an alternative solution, besides suicide, at that very moment. In other words: a person may resort to suicide because they have no other options, so this "temporary solution" is better than no solution at all.

 

[fox21132113]

I roll my eyes and want to barf. My problems aren't temporary, and I want the permanent solution

 

[VivaldiBR]

I gave a chance to life 1 year and half ago. My "temporary problem" was not yet solved. And things only got worse. How long more?

 

[Freedent]

Existential dread, chronic depression and anxiety, really tough trauma aren't temporary problems. They think they know us better than we do, but i can tell you no amount of positive thinking and no years of therapy can fix you if you've been damaged to the core. I never wanted to live, not even as a little child. The first time i learned what death what, i was so eager to experiment it i almost stabbed myself in the chest at 7 years old. My suicidal urges are a part of me, they're not caused by a divorce or the loss of a job. I'm just rotten, i don't think it's that bad to throw yourself away if you think you're rotten, you know ?

 

[woxihuanni]

They forgot 'shameful'. A permanent solution to the shame of being you. Count the people who wouldn't rather die than be in your shoes, for instance. Rather than have your monkey face, be humiliated like you, be trashed, be patronised, threatened, pushed to and fro. Then you see why precisely you need to die quick and have a permanent solution to your shameful problem, of being you.

 

[Nymph]

I think it might be true in some cases but if the temporary problem is so painful and hurtful than I don't see a problem in ending it permanently.

 

[Reyki6667]

Bipolar and adhd are permanent....

 

[Rn110bg101]

who doesn't want a permanent solution to all problems? why would you want a temporary solution?

 

[xLosthopex]

You had me at "permanent solution"

 

[OpheliasFlowers]

I HATE HATE HATE this shortsighted, smug, sanctimonious and ignorant platitude that gets thrown out there by so many who then, after saying it or posting it on social media, pat themselves on the back for "caring" and "spreading awareness" blah blah blah. Yet they're the same people I've experienced who either are never available to talk with (even in very vague and careful way so as not to dump on them or make them feel uncomfortable -- something which I've gotten VERY aware and sensitive to over the years after alienating or frightening away so many "friends" by being more open and honest with them. NOT expecting them to solve my issues or even give me advice - although sometimes some advice or feedback would've been appreciated -- but to just LISTEN) or if you do share with them (since another thing these kind of people like to say is "I'm HERE for you" or that dumb meme-like thing about (paraphrased, obviously) "Share this status if you are willing to listen and talk to someone at 2 a.m. if they need somebody or feel suicidal, etc etc) then they disappear on you FAST. These people want to feel like they've 'done something' or 'care' but in reality, they don't want to hear it and they don't want to deal with it beyond sharing on social media.

Well, my issues are life long - the depression, which has only gotten worse as I've aged and my physical health has deteriorated and the same for my anxiety; and my physical health which has never been great since birth but took a total nosedive around 25 (I'm 52 now) and every year I seem to add on at least a couple more illnesses, and the ones I have already get worse. I'm in pain 24/7, I have been unable to build any kind of life, I have no friends, am reliant on others for literally EVERYTHING, and my entire life consists of only doctor appointments, tests, pain and going online and watching movies if I feel I can focus long enough. I don't enjoy anything anymore and I have no quality of life and there's nothing any of the MANY MANY doctors I've seen can do about any of it. I am one of those that gets lots of diseases and conditions and undiagnosable pain but nothing is terminal so I just live in this miserable limbo hell of pain and an empty, pointless life. So this "temporary problem" shit is just that: SHIT. None of my problems are temporary and despite literally decades of doctors and therapies and drugs and my own personal research into supplements or alternative medicine or treatments has helped ONE BIT. So these pro-lifers with no understanding of what it's like to exist this way, nor any practical advice on HOW to make things better/less hellish, nor even the time to JUST LISTEN AND TALK WITH ME or anything can go back to their bubbles with their meaningless words (words they won't remember writing an hour later, anyway).

Apologies for the rant but I really really hate this stupid phrase and it works me up every time I see or read or hear it.

 

[NightmareTour]

Life is a temporary problem. What I'd like to do is to make the problem last a shorter amount of time.